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Anyone not got a flu shot yet?

Discussion in 'Covid and pandemic discussions' started by DandyDon, Nov 6, 2020.

  1. mac64

    mac64 ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Yeah sure go back and answer the reply I made to your comment on my post.
     
  2. mac64

    mac64 ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I was saying that in Ireland only the over 65 and those with compromised immune systems or vulnerable gets flu vaccine. It’s not a big deal here. And the reason is the economic impact of the flu is not the same as the US. Do companies not insist that their employees be vaccinated against the flu.
     
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  3. Esprise Me

    Esprise Me Kelp forest dweller ScubaBoard Supporter

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    OK, that gives some context. Are you saying then that there aren't enough flu deaths in the US to justify flu shots for everyone, or just that there wouldn't be if sick people stayed home?

    I could see an argument that society should emphasize quarantine over vaccination. I don't know if I agree, but it's an idea worth discussing. And it's a fair point that the integrity of such a discussion might be compromised by economic interests--both the fact that some stand to profit from vaccines, as well as the fact that many stand to lose from having workers stay home. But it's also worth pointing out that such a shift in the US would have to come from the top down. Individual workers can't just decide to stay home anytime they have the sniffles if they're not protected from being fired or at least losing pay during that time. Individual companies can't always afford to be more generous with sick time than their competitors if they want to stay in business. Individuals who are vulnerable to the flu need protection from others. I am 100% on board with pushing for better protections so people can stay home when they're sick, whether or not that would work as well as vaccination. But until that happens, individuals have to decide whether to get vaccinated based on the world we live in, not the one we should. And I will continue to encourage them to get the vaccine.
     
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  4. DandyDon

    DandyDon Old men ought to be explorers ScubaBoard Supporter

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    That was almost in the same post with this garbage...
    I say again - This!
    That idea is really a futile attempt to reduce the risks of being around people who won't mask and vaccinate as requested. It really doesn't help much.
     
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  5. DBPacific

    DBPacific ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    If you'll stay on your rocking chair on your porch then I'll stay on my rocking chair on my porch and we can yell about fish we saw to each other
     
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  6. mac64

    mac64 ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I’m not telling anyone in another country what they should or shouldn’t do, if the people of the US wish to be vaccinated against the flu that’s their decision.
     
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  7. mac64

    mac64 ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    That’s your opinion, you still don’t get to tell other people what to do. And you know well I was talking about people choosing to be vaccinated or not. Very nasty to edit out some bits of what people are saying and using it to your advantage.
     
  8. DandyDon

    DandyDon Old men ought to be explorers ScubaBoard Supporter

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    What? I excerpted from this. Yes, I know you were vaccination choices. I think that those who are medically capable of being vaccinated have a moral obligation to those who cannot to get the jab. The fact that the vaccine is about 50% effective at best makes it all more important.
     
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  9. mac64

    mac64 ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I have never heard anyone in Ireland advise someone else to get a flu vaccine or not to get a flu vaccine, and I personally would never advise one way or the other, and I’m certainly not going to give vaccine advice on an Internet forum. I have heard of people been advised by their doctor to get the flu vaccine and that’s entirely up to them. Like I’ve said flu is not a big issue in Ireland. You are entitled to your opinion and so is everyone else.
     
  10. Storker

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    I think you may have misunderstood my slightly flippant, but at the bottom rather serious question.

    As we see from the replies in this thread, vaccine recommendations vary between countries. Since I'm not a trained medical professional, I follow the advice from our national CDC, which is that those who are in a risk group and/or are at high risk for getting infected should have the shot, but those who aren't shouldn't.

    The lockdown we had this spring showed very well that in the absence of a vaccine, proper social distancing is a very efficient tool for stopping an epidemic. Over here a lot of us, including me, are - again, dammit! - working from home and socially distancing as much as possible. And because of that I'm more confident than usually that I'll neither get the flu nor - in case I get it - infect others. Add the fact that at least here, most people who aren't working from home can take out a sick day or two if they're feeling a bit under the weather without losing income, and the risk of spreading the flu becomes even smaller.
     

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