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Average Gas Consumption

Discussion in 'Basic Scuba' started by scubadada, Jul 3, 2016.

What is your average RMV?

  1. less than 0.3 cu ft/min

    5 vote(s)
    1.1%
  2. 0.3-0.39 cu ft/min

    59 vote(s)
    13.1%
  3. 0.4-0.49 cu ft/min

    125 vote(s)
    27.7%
  4. 0.5-0.59 cu ft/min

    127 vote(s)
    28.2%
  5. 0.6-0.69 cu ft/min

    68 vote(s)
    15.1%
  6. 0.7-0.79 cu ft/min

    43 vote(s)
    9.5%
  7. 0.8-0.89 cu ft/min

    11 vote(s)
    2.4%
  8. 0.9-0.99 cu ft/min

    4 vote(s)
    0.9%
  9. greater than or equal to 1.0 cu ft/min

    9 vote(s)
    2.0%
  1. scubadada

    scubadada Diver Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Philadelphia and Boynton Beach
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    There has been extensive discussion lately regarding average gas consumption. A poll may help give us a better idea of what the normal distribution of RMVs is.

    1 cu ft = 28.3 liters
    1 liter = 0.035 cu ft

    <0.3 cu ft/min = <8.5 l/min
    0.3-0.39 cu ft/min = 8.5-11.0 l/min
    0.4-0.49 cu ft/min = 11.3-13.9 l/min
    0.5-0.59 cu ft/min = 14.2-16.7 l/min
    0.6-0.69 cu ft/min = 17.0-19.5 l/min
    0.7-0.79 cu ft/min = 19.8-22.4 l/min
    0.8-0.89 cu ft/min = 22.6-25.2 l/min
    0.9-0.99 cu ft/min = 25.5-28.0 l/min
    >1.0 cu ft/min = >28.3 l/min
     
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2016
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  2. Kevrumbo

    Kevrumbo Banned

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: South Santa Monica Bay/Los Angeles California, USA
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    1 liter = 0.35 cu ft, should be 0.035 cu ft.
     
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  3. scubadada

    scubadada Diver Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Philadelphia and Boynton Beach
    14,844
    11,496
    Fixed, thanks very much. I typed a lot of numbers :)
     
  4. kr2y5

    kr2y5 Contributor

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Seattle
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    Asking for a clarification, because everyone seems to have a different idea what RMV means: do you mean consumption rate while sitting on a couch, or the calculated average surface consumption for a leisurely dive. ( I responded assuming the latter. )
     
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  5. Kevrumbo

    Kevrumbo Banned

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
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    And here's an exercise on the difference between Volume SAC Rate (also known as RMV) and Pressure SAC Rate, and how to actually use Pressure Sac rate for the cylinder that you are breathing.

    Example:
    Given a Volume Sac Rate of 22 liters/min*ATA, divide it by the Tank Factor Rating of the Cylinder in use. For an AL80 cylinder with a tank factor rating of 11 liters/bar:

    22 liters/min*ATA divided-by 11 liters/bar = 2 bar/min*ATA Pressure Sac Rate

    Now instead of a single AL80 with an 11 liters/bar tank factor rating, use a twinset (double AL80's) for a total of 22 liters/bar tank factor rating, and let's see what happens to the Pressure Sac Rate:

    22 liters/min*ATA divided-by 22 liters/bar = 1 bar/min*ATA Pressure Sac Rate.

    So the point is: your Volume Sac Rate of 22 liters/min is constant across all tank sizes & capacities, but it is your Pressure Sac Rate that will change with the sizes & capacities (i.e. tank rating factors) of the cylinders that you actually use.

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    Below are some example pressure Surface Consumption Rate (SCR) values for a variety of common cylinders with a given arbitrary volume SCR (also known as volume SAC rate or RMV):

    Given a arbitrary nominal volume SCR of 22 liters/min per ATA (that's 0.78 cuft/min per ATA in US Imperial Units, a reasonable & achievable volume SCR for most novice divers):

    Cylinder Size | Pressure SCR
    11L/bar tank (AL80): 2bar/min per ATA;
    12L/bar tank (Steel HP100): 1.8bar/min per ATA;
    13L/bar tank (AL100): 1.7bar/min per ATA;
    15L/bar tank (Steel HP119): 1.5bar/min per ATA;
    16L/bar tank (Steel HP130): 1.4bar/min per ATA;
    11L Twins (Double AL80's): 1bar/min per ATA;
    12L Twins (Double HP100's): 0.9bar/min per ATA;
    16L Twins (Double HP130's): 0.7bar/min per ATA.

    Given a arbitrary nominal volume SCR of 15 liters/min per ATA (0.53 cuft/min per ATA in US Imperial Units):

    11L/bar tank (AL80): 1.4bar/min per ATA;
    12L/bar tank (Steel HP100): 1.3bar/min per ATA;
    13L/bar tank (AL100): 1.2bar/min per ATA;
    15L/bar tank (Steel HP119): 1bar/min per ATA;
    16L/bar tank (Steel HP130): 0.9bar/min per ATA;
    11L Twins (Double AL80's): 0.7bar/min per ATA;
    12L Twins (Double HP100's): 0.6bar/min per ATA;
    16L Twins (Double HP130's): 0.5bar/min per ATA.

    Given a arbitrary nominal volume SCR of 11 liters/min per ATA (0.39 cuft/min per ATA in US Imperial Units):

    11L/bar tank (AL80): 1bar/min per ATA;
    12L/bar tank (Steel HP100): 0.9bar/min per ATA;
    13L/bar tank (AL100): 0.8bar/min per ATA;
    15L/bar tank (Steel HP119): 0.73bar/min per ATA;
    16L/bar tank (Steel HP130): 0.68bar/min per ATA;
    11L Twins (Double AL80's): 0.5bar/min per ATA;
    12L Twins (Double HP100's): 0.45bar/min per ATA;
    16L Twins (Double HP130's): 0.3bar/min per ATA.

    ----
    If you know your nominal bar/min consumption rate at depth for the particular cylinder used --you already know by rote what your SPG is going to read after a five or ten minute interval of time. So if I started the dive with a full cylinder at 200bar, and have a depth consumption rate of 8bar/min, I know I will consume 80 bar in ten minutes and the SPG will read 120bar remaining pressure. If I then come up multi-level shallower to a new depth where my consumption rate is 4bar/min, I know in another ten minute interval I'll consume 40bar and the SPG will show 80bar remaining. By normal habit and experience over many dives --you just automatically begin to do this iterative subtraction & SPG tracking process. When you finally reach Min Gas Reserve pressure and confirm it on your SPG, you then start your ending ascent to safety stops & the surface. . . IOW, the SPG is telling you, confirming what you already know and figured in terms of remaining gas pressure.
     
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2016
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  6. Charles2

    Charles2 Contributor

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    Wow! Seems like a great explanation. Could you please explain this in CuFt and PSI. It would make it much simpler for those of us who have always used the Imperial System.
     
  7. Diving Dubai

    Diving Dubai Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Ras Al Khaimah, UAE
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    I put my gas consumption as 12l/min (0.4cfm?)

    I have seen nearly 35l/min on my computer when in a down current fighting not to be pushed any further than 50m (the sand was at 120m)

    My wife has an average (after checking the stats on her computer of 7.5l/min)

    The Data for both of us is based upon the last 230 dives where we've had accurate logging from the computers and averaged by Mac dive.

    No guessing here....
     
  8. scubadada

    scubadada Diver Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Philadelphia and Boynton Beach
    14,844
    11,496
    I meant the latter, your response was what I wanted
     
  9. scubadada

    scubadada Diver Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Philadelphia and Boynton Beach
    14,844
    11,496
    Right, 12 l/min would be 0.42 cu ft/min. Your wife would be 0.27 cu ft/min
     
  10. scubadada

    scubadada Diver Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Philadelphia and Boynton Beach
    14,844
    11,496
    It anyone participates in the poll and then decides their answer was incorrect, the "Change Your Vote" function has been enabled and your answer can be corrected.
     

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