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Be Cautious Diving and Traveling Abroad

Discussion in 'LGBTQIA and Friends perspectives' started by El Hefe 612, Aug 12, 2017.

  1. CanadaDan

    CanadaDan Angel Fish

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    I hear what you're saying. For more accepting places and better diving people can simply hop across the caribbean to the Mayan Riviera. I do love Jamaica, we tend to go back every other year. I struggled with this early on but here's my take...

    If allies and LGBTQ persons stop going in protest of laws and attitudes then guess who goes... unsympathetic at best and outright homophobes at worst. No new ideas, no visibility, no push to change... nothing will change. So while I am there enjoying my vacation I say certain things and have certain tattoo's that let LGBTQ locals that I come in contact with that I am an ally. If all I can give is a simple acknowledgement to individuals of their right to exist as they are then maybe that's enough but I also support organisations like JFLAG in their efforts to educate their country and liberate their people. If I can afford a vacation their I can afford to help. From the outside maybe it looks like I'm just paying penance so I can clear my conscience but from meeting and interacting with LGBTQ locals I can say they truly appreciate people coming and at least acknowledging their existence.

    I also try to be careful about what companies I support. The company that owns Sandals also owns newspapers in Jamaica that run homophobic editorials... so I stay at Couples where I have met LGBTQ staff that seem to be able to be a BIT more themselves on resort at least.

    Caveat being that I'm a straight white cis male. I know I have WAY more freedom so I get to be a little more bold..
     
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  2. Saturated and satisfied

    Saturated and satisfied Angel Fish

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  3. Mosseltje

    Mosseltje Angel Fish

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    Location: The Netherlands
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    This year I noticed several gay couples at the coraya bay Jaz Lamaya resort in Egypt.
    (Marsa Alam, Red Sea)

    No funny faces whatsoever.
     
  4. Magnus Lundstedt

    Magnus Lundstedt Divemaster

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: Umeå, sweden
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    I was first thinking I should stay away from countries that outlaws some peoples love, but your post made me rethink.

    But for me that live in a quite sexual liberated country, and being of the most privileged group, I have not rely any idea how I can show my support, without being offensive to the people I like to support.


    Love and let love! Dive and let dive!
     
  5. Pubdraft

    Pubdraft Garibaldi

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: Greater Boston
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    Lots of good info here. Out of curiosity how's Aruba? My husband and I were thinking of heading down there at some point. Husband has bad asthma so I'll be the only one diving. Also has anyone done Gay Scuba week? If so how is it?
     
  6. kafkaland

    kafkaland Manta Ray

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Saline, Michigan
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    I have done Gay Scuba Week twice, on Utila. Fun group, well-organized, I would go with them again if dates and destination works out.
     
  7. JasmineNeedsGills

    JasmineNeedsGills Angel Fish

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    Jordan does not criminalise homosexuality. Social acceptance isn't great, but homosexuality hasn't been a criminal offence since the 50s, so provided you remain aware you're in the middle east and play it conservatively, you should be OK. I'm hoping to taking a holiday Aqaba at some point with my partner, so if I remember, I'll write up a trip report.

    Israel is suprisingly progressive on LGBTQ issues so if you can live with the myriad of other issues that the country dishes up, Eilat is a valid option.

    Egypt technically criminalises homosexuality and has zero trans rights, however it also has the most developed tourist industry, whose resorts are on the other side of a big desert from the rest of the country. As a result of the distance from the main poulation, and the importance of tourism, there is *is* some unofficial leeway, whereby western tourists on the Red Sea coasts are pretty much left to their own devices. Provided you use some common sense and stay western-targetted resort hotel or liveaboard, you should be OK.

    Saudi Arabia does not issue any tourist visas anymore, so it's not an option in any case. If they did, you'd be either mighty brave or might stupid to try it. Same sex acts are punishable by public execution, which seems a tad excessive, but then again the Saudi government is ironically full of male drama queens who dress fabulously. Yeah... go figure.

    Sudan is pretty much liveaboards only at present, due to a total lack of tourist infrastructure. Currently, the government doesn't tend to enforce it's official "floggings and hangings for the gays" policy, but I strongly suspect that's more due to incompotence than pragmatism. Steer clear. The diving in the Egyptian far south is very similar to what you'll get in Sudan and is way easier to arrange and safer in every sense of the word.

    Yemen is currently experiecing a few issues to say the least, and is probabaly not somewhere that should be on your itinary at the moment.
     
  8. zugbug99

    zugbug99 Angel Fish

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    Thailand is a great place to travel and dive! Last year I did the 5 day liveaboard on Manta Queen 7 at khaolakscubaadventures. I was the only single American. The guests and crew were Eastern and Western European, North, South and Central American, and Chinese. There were two gay couples, one male, one female.
    Everyone had a great time! We laughed, danced, sang, ate, dived, and enjoyed the great Andaman sea.
    I would highly recommend this dive location and shop for any LBGTQIA divers.
    Everyone was treated with respect.
    The divemasters and ships Captain and crew where great!
     
  9. Storker

    Storker Divemaster

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  10. Charles Graves

    Charles Graves Angel Fish

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    Location: Washington, DC
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    Yeah man, it's really unfortunate. A lot of arab and african countries are not really up to the 1st world standard of tolerance for all beliefs. I'm personally straight and Christian, and disagree morally with homosexuality, but I would never ever think someone should be bullied, harmed, put in legal or social trouble, or otherwise attacked for their sexual preferences or beliefs. I think you have the right idea, its best to avoid countries like that, and if you do go to them, probably best to not advertise your sexual orientation around people who may beat you up or jail you over it
     

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