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Big Bay Point Dive Flags

Discussion in 'Ontario' started by divereh, Aug 22, 2007.

  1. divereh

    divereh Master Instructor

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    Location: Ontario
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    Min. 3 Flags Every Time We Go Out
     
  2. DrownedRat

    DrownedRat Contributor

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    Not to be rude or anything, but are you disabled in some fashion?


     
  3. The Horn

    The Horn Contributor

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: Ontario, Canada
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    There is only a requirment for a vessel untertaking diving operations to fly the Alpha flag and the red and white. There are only recommendations for divers to fly the diver down flag. Boaters are required to stay 50 meters away but catching people who don't...different story. Some marine parks (Tobermory) require divers using flags and have restricted some dive sites due to vessel traffic etc. This is different as it is a federal park that has be granted the ability to kick you out for not following their rules.

    Lake Simcoe is just that...Lake Simcoe. Some townships and communities may have declared ownership or better yet custodial title to some of the waters but it is not really thiers. They can only really control the land to the waters edge. OPP RCMP Coast Guard, Fisheries and the navy all have different jurisdiction and abilities to enforce law upon Canada's waterways.

    A group of retarded...sorry retired cottagers of whinny sh#$ts who believe that it is thier view and thier water and mine mine mine are sadly mistaken. You can dive anywhere unless it is specifically designated by the Ministry of inland waters for usually the protection of something ie hamilton and scourge and the bi#$%y americans who wanted the Fitzgerald protected. Normally that stuff only happens as there is major political pressure.

    They can put up "No Diving" signs, which are fine...use the giant stride or roll entry!

    Dive dive dive!!!
     
  4. divereh

    divereh Master Instructor

    # of Dives:
    Location: Ontario
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    Because they are making us use them or we will be banned! Read what I write.
     
  5. divereh

    divereh Master Instructor

    # of Dives:
    Location: Ontario
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    it is not a law!!!! But a local govenment can put a by-law in place restricting us from using it. It is no longer a Federal dock, it is now owned and maintained by the City of Innisfil and do as they please. We have to kind of work together on this one, i know it's tough in the wacky world of scuba unfortunatly.
     
  6. divereh

    divereh Master Instructor

    # of Dives:
    Location: Ontario
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    I have been to the Mayor of both Barrie and Innisfil and quit frankly he told us we are a liability and they would prefer if we went elsewhere.
     
  7. DeepBound

    DeepBound Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Ottawa, Ontario
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    Maybe as a compromise you could just leave a dive flag there permanently, since people dive there so much. Do you think that would make them feel better?

    Liability in the sense that the city could be sued? Or just generally unwanted?
     
  8. divereh

    divereh Master Instructor

    # of Dives:
    Location: Ontario
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    liability in case more people die,
     
  9. DrownedRat

    DrownedRat Contributor

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    Wow, I know I shouldn't feed the trolls but, seriously?? The accident you're talking about was the boat that came in too close to the dock, too fast, and drove OVER a dive float to kill that poor woman?
    Yet you maintain that it's divers fault for not using floats???
    Thanks but I'll just keep my SMB handy in the event I need to surface with an issue I or my buddy can't fix underwater.


     
  10. Axeman

    Axeman Contributor

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    I very much doubt that they could bann divers from diving at this location without banning everyone from this location. Just because you believe that using flags is the right thing to do does not make it so. There are three sides to this. The residents who don't want divers there, the divers who do use flags, and the divers that don't use flags. Each group has their reasons and points. Even if conflicting all points are equally valid and must be addressed.

    It is not fair to impose something on everyone without considering all of the ramifications. Doing so will just piss off one group while placating the other. Representatives of all groups should meet to discuss and come up with recomendations. This is the way adults do things.

    IMO part of any solution would require enforement of boaters who ignore, run over, turn around and pull up dive markers.

    Thanks. My 2c
     

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