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Breaking news from the whale wars

Discussion in 'Marine Life & Ecosystems' started by cdreamer, Jan 5, 2010.

  1. drbill

    drbill The Lorax for the Kelp Forest Scuba Legend

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    Hippies? What a laugh. You apparently have never met one.
     
  2. drbill

    drbill The Lorax for the Kelp Forest Scuba Legend

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    I don't either, but I do have a difference of opinion when it comes to sentient, social species whose numbers have been decimated by past whaling activities.

    And I hope you don't mind if my friends the Xanadusians enjoy eating the flesh of human beings like yourself when they arrive from their planet. We are all part of the Mutual Eating Society... and humans may NOT always be THE apex predators.
     
  3. Scott L

    Scott L Solo Diver

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    Greenpeace's passive approach has certainly not been effective in years past. The incident is leading on the front page of most news sources the past few days. I guarantee you world-wide public opionion is on the side of those protecting the whales and not those culling whales by the thousands for "research" purposes. Will it ultimately end commercial whaling? :idk: At the very least, it's high theater...
     
  4. Geoff_H

    Geoff_H Solo Diver

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    Hmm, I would read it differently.

    Ady Gil was clearly the overtaking vessel - she moved from astern at the start of the video, to ahead, and then cuts in front. The rules posted state that in this situation she is still considered the overtaking vessel and is obliged to keep clear.

    Rule 13d is applicable, as it is clear the Ady Gil was not past and clear. There is little doubt in my mind this is a stunt by Sea Shepherd.

    Even if it was not, putting your fibre glass hull in the way of a steel hulled whaling vessel is crassly bad seamanship and the "Captain" of the Ady Gil was clearly endangering the life of his crew by getting that close the fishing boat in the first place.
     
  5. Geoff_H

    Geoff_H Solo Diver

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    Really? Quite impressive since it just happened today.
     
  6. Tigerman

    Tigerman Solo Diver

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    It serves them right! They have been trying to sink ships themselves for years and now they get a taste of their own medicine and get upset about it..
    Well, what the hell do they expect??
     
  7. Scott L

    Scott L Solo Diver

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  8. Geoff_H

    Geoff_H Solo Diver

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    Can you back up this assertion with some evidence? I'm not saying you are right or wrong, but I see a lot of hyperbole and claims from BOTH sides of the argument. Most of the evidence that I have seen has not convinced me either way.

    It seems we simply don't have much idea of the true numbers of whales in our oceans, now or 50 years or 100 years ago. We also don't know the effect that human whaling has had or continues to have on their numbers. I would be interested if you have any research that can convincingly demonstrate this effect?

    Whale numbers surveys seem similar to climate numbers to me - fundamentally difficult to measure accurately, lots of small samples being extrapolated out, figures "adjusted" to make comparisons accurate and - ultimately - little hard evidence for correlation of human activity with any trends that have been "established" by academics who depend on writing headline grabbing stories to enhance their chances of a new research grant.
     
  9. Geoff_H

    Geoff_H Solo Diver

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    Grow up! For your inaccurate assertion to be true....

    ... try finding some articles dated from a "few days ago" covering this ramming incident. I'll let you use any timezone you like :D
     
  10. Wookie

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    I disagree, I do not see this as an overtaking situation, but as a crossing situation. The Andy Gil was clearly the Stand-on vessel, the whaler was clearly the Burdened vessel.

    HOWEVER

    Both captains must act prudently to avoid a collision. It is obvious also from the video that the Andy Gil was underway and making way in such a manner to cause the collision. Engines were clearly engaged, as there is prop wash behind the vessel, as well as wake. There is no indication that there is prop wash forward up the sides of the Andy Gil, as there would be if the skipper had showered down in reverse to avoid a collision.

    I put the actions of the Sea Shepherd crew on par with Jihadists, and the crew of the Andy Gil on par with suicide bombers. They knew there would be a collision, they knew that they would lose the Andy Gil, and there were volunteers manning the Andy Gil that were willing to drown for the whales. I understand this, as I hate shark long-liners the way Sea Shepherd hates whalers. I'm just waiting for the mini-torpedos. :D
     

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