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Canada

Discussion in 'Resource Lists' started by Divegoose, Apr 17, 2019.

  1. Divegoose

    Divegoose Divemaster

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Vancouver Island
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    For the majority of Canadian jurisdictions, the local police service provides "underwater recovery" services. They do not have "rescue" capabilities. In the western provinces, and the martimes, the RCMP "URT" (underwater recovery team) is called in the event of a drowning. In provinces without an URT, the local commercial diver is sometimes contracted to do recovery work (My LDS owner was also a commercial diver, and he called in a bunch of his divemasters when contracted to do a recovery).

    In Ontario the OPP (Ontario Provincial Police) have a dive team, but again they do not have rescue capabilities. They respond after the fact, and do the recovery. Not sure how things are handled in Quebec.

    The Calgary Fire Department has a great water rescue program, that includes divers trained by Dive Rescue International (I was fortunate to have the opportunity to train with them many years ago). They provide service within the City of Calgary, and have been called to locations outside the city to do recoveries.

    There are some other teams, such as the Terrace Water Rescue Team in northern BC that do rescue and recovery work, but I belive they have to be tasked by the RCMP. I believe there is also a dive team in northern Alberta, but they would also have to be tasked by the RCMP to respond.

    There are a lot of highly trained rescuers out there, who would love the opportunity to form a dive team, but those with jurisdiction will not let it happen.

    If anyone has further information about dive rescue programs in Canada, please add to this thread.

    Divegoose
     
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  2. W W Meixner

    W W Meixner Rebreather Pilot

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Ontario Canada
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    DG...

    In direct response to your second to last paragraph...it has to do with liability of the Crown...

    Being a former OHS Manager with the Ontario Ministry of Labour...a recovery other than a recovery by a law enforcement group...is part and parcel of allowances given to ''Commercial Divers''...

    Provincial OHS legislation is very specific as to what a commercial diver is...and is not...and the reporting/filing/formal written dive plan for each and every commercial dive...Provincial OHS Inspectors have by legislation the ''right'' to visit for the purpose of inspection...to determine Legislative Compliance...every dive operation...as though it were a workplace...that's ''Commercial Dive Operation''...

    A recreational diver is not by definition a ''worker''...a certified dive instructor...who is being ''paid'' is a worker...but is being covered by the ''Dive Shop''...as an employee of an ''Industrial Establishment''...by legislative definition...the students being trained are not workers as they are not being ''paid''...they are covered by personal health insurance...and the right to sue...

    Further...Law Enforcement Groups...that perform in water ''recovery''...as well as the actual recovery...are there to determine...through their professional law enforcement training...and investigative skills...whether or not ''foul play'' was involved...as well as the gathering and preservation of ''evidence''...

    There's a lot more involved than a recreational diver/divers/dive groups...being able to log another dive...

    Read your Provincial OHS legislation...the books are available at any Provincial Government Book Store...you'll find the above narrative is the very short answer...

    Hope this gives you some insight...

    Warren
     
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  3. Divegoose

    Divegoose Divemaster

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Vancouver Island
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    Totally understand the concerns about liability.

    I am not advocating for recreational divers to perform search and rescue/recovery missions.

    What I am saying is that there are a lot of highly trained rescuers out there. If they were properly trained in dive rescue, evidence recovery, crime scene investigation, etc, and could respond directly to an incident, then perhaps there may be more viable rescues, and fewer recoveries.

    There are a number of recognized training agencies out there, such as Dive Rescue International, ERDI, and Team Lifeguard Systems that train dive rescue teams to respond safely and professionally.

    Divegoose
     
  4. W W Meixner

    W W Meixner Rebreather Pilot

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Ontario Canada
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    Agreed...but...

    Not to private citizen/recreational/sport divers...this training...and I'm talking about Canada only is for professionals...professional being...law enforcement...fire-fighters...professional medical responders...and military...

    There may be some isolated circumstances where dive shops...with lots of equipment and resouces may be called upon...to lend assistance...but I believe it would be very rare...it never happened in the shop where I worked...and we were in the same town where the OPP Underwater Search and Rescue team is headquartered...

    Remember...we partake in this ''sport'' for enjoyment/fun/pleasure/relaxation...being rescue trained is for us...intended to help a fellow diver in distress...we are not ''public life safety professionals''...

    W...
     

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