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Cave training - GUE vs. TDI/IANTD (or other)

Discussion in 'Cave Diving' started by naick, Feb 4, 2019.

  1. Germie

    Germie Cave Instructor

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    A lot of decisions taken by agencies are based on money. Nothing more, nothing less. It is just a commercial marketmodell. A lot of people want sidemount, so agencies offer sidemount courses. Same with ccr. And if you offer it too late, people go to another, so you want your part of the market and you start offering it. Nothing wrong with that.
    And there is no proof that agencies do it unsafe. Only some agencies are now too late for some divers. They can only sell courses to newer divers.
    New agencies come, others change or stop. Just what the market wants.
     
  2. Subcooled

    Subcooled Assistant Instructor

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Finland
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    In GUE you will join the clone army. In other systems you have some freedom of choice. This comes both with benefits and with drawbacks. In a big project with 100 divers you will want standardization, while on an individual project you might want some freedoms.

    No matter which system you will choose, you and you alone will be responsible for your death.
    Training is only that. The rest depends on you alone.
     
  3. LiteHedded

    LiteHedded Great White

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    taking gue cave courses doesnt remove your freedoms. you can do whatever you want
     
  4. Superlyte27

    Superlyte27 Cave Instructor

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    Location: Florida
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    I was recently told on this board that you can lose your cert for diving solo with GUE.

    I thought it was AJ, but I could be wrong. I asked at EE to confirm and was told the same thing.
     
  5. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Seattle
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    I don't see why anyone would care.
     
  6. Superlyte27

    Superlyte27 Cave Instructor

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    Because an expired and non-renewed cave card will keep you out of some pretty popular caves.
     
  7. rjack321

    rjack321 Captain

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Port Orchard, WA
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    Has this actually happened or is this just staff level folks pontificating?

    I know lots of people with a GUE (cave or tech) card from the past who dont follow GUE's expectations on gases, or teams (including solo), sidemount, ccrs etc. They have never asked for anyone's card back. GUE instructor's seem to be held to a higher bar here than past students
     
  8. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Seattle
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    Are there expiration dates/non-renewal certifications for non-DIR agencies (RAID, TDI, IANTD, etc.). I do appreciate the need to keep diving at that level. So if a GUE trained diver kept diving prolifically, but after 3 years didn't pay the fee to keep his certification renewed, I don't see if that would matter.

    To me the issue is, does a diver keep up their skills to be proficient. That's the main thing that matters.

    Personally, I'm out of the water for a while due to the birth of my daughter. When I get back into the water, it will all be about practice, practice, practice Once I am proficient in my skills to the level that I was before my hiatus, then I will dive for fun.
     
  9. rjack321

    rjack321 Captain

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    Location: Port Orchard, WA
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    GUE is the only agency with expiry dates (and a renewal fee)
     
  10. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Seattle
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    What about UTD/ISE as their roots are in GUE?

    I think expirations make sense due to inactivity at a certain level, but not a renewal fee.
     

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