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Changing dive op attitudes to "solo"

Discussion in 'Solo Divers' started by uncfnp, Feb 4, 2015.

  1. Fish&beer

    Fish&beer Nassau Grouper

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    Don't get me wrong, I did find that Rainbow Reef was a pleasant and professional operator but diving with a guide is not my cup of tea as I prefer to dive solo. Anyhow if I ever get back to Florida I will surely take up both drrich2 and your recommendations.
    Thx
    Jerry
     
  2. AfterDark

    AfterDark Solo Diver

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    My solution is F the operators. If they don't allow solo don't use them. Or do like I do the rare times I use an operator; go with another solo diver, buddy up and go solo after reaching the bottom. Post dive, claim buddy separation.
     
  3. uncfnp

    uncfnp Solo Diver

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    Don't forget about points south of Jupiter as well. Many of the dive boats out of WPB are solo friendly as well. Just do your homework and/or give us a holler.
     
  4. Michael Guerrero

    Michael Guerrero Solo Diver

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    My experiences are Southern California and the Florida Panhandle. Solo was allowed both places.
     
  5. uncfnp

    uncfnp Solo Diver

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    One problem locally is the dive association (PDRA) that owns the 3 local quarries and the most convenient location to maintain skills specifically prohibits solo.
     
  6. ozzydamo

    ozzydamo Divemaster

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    Certification agencie$ $tarted to lobby government to make guideline$. I don't see any cost benefit analysis reports on those guidelines efficacy to prove to me, that the increased safety margin has got anything to do with the guidelines- like most things, a political end justifies their own importance to score votes while making coin.
     
  7. Bob DBF

    Bob DBF Solo Diver

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    The "government" in the US has no laws regulating SCUBA diving, with the exception of some dive flag regulations and DOT tank hydro regulations. You do not have to be certified to SCUBA dive, I dove for years without a c-card. Once you deal with dive operations, it is their shop and/or boat and their rules you have to conform to so you can do business with them. Most of their "rules" are made to satisfy their insurer and reduce their costs.

    When dive instruction started, the YMCA was involved because their decades of providing excellent swim instruction. They always taught that you should swim with a buddy, so it was a natural progression that diving with a buddy was included and. taught.

    There are advantages to buddy diving, but you have to be good at it for it to work. And this is from a solo diver.


    Bob
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    I may be old, but I'm not dead yet.
     
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  8. ozzydamo

    ozzydamo Divemaster

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    In Australia the laws make it nigh on impossible not too- all but a law against it and you can't SCUBA dive any of the public dams here in QLD even if you have certification.

    You "both" have to be aware of buddy systems weakness to make it work at a higher safety level then true solo done by a well experienced diver, so at the level of experience people are left to their own devise after certification, I don't see it as a real safety benefit, more as a confidence booster- which can go south quite rapidly for hasty types(50% of dive fatalities happen before the diver has done over 20 dives).

    In Australia there is an official "guideline", even if you're just taking friends private diving in your own boat, if something happened and you couldn't show you're using it's protocols, legally you'd get sued hard by the family of the unfortunate diver. This was done under the work place health and safety laws(taking some of the costs of the insurance industry=more profit for them).

    Here you wouldn't get a tank refill from any dive shop unless you are certed. https://www.worksafe.qld.gov.au/law...-safety-laws/laws-and-legislation/diving-laws

    Lots of this goes hand in hand with Quality assurance required for very limited access and tendering of contracts to the largest coral reef in the world- it's basically a way of duopolising the best parts of the barrier reef for the dive charter operators(it kills the employment scene for dive instructors/guides, most on those charter operations are on tiny money and are foreigner usually doing a working holiday-taking jobs off Australian here, so much for safety in that case!), the Manta operation(Singapore) is rumoured to be having a shot at getting permitted to dive the GBR ,see how that goes . Here we got a fee, a levy and tax on everything and more, you would be astounded by the amounts involved, it's a disgrace. It all makes diving very expensive in a place that has so much unrealised diving potential for tourism, eco tourism should be its focus in lot of places here, we are lucky for the low population to have so much unspoilt areas.

    Oddly enough, I am glad the QLD GOV. got this done before the TPP is signed!
     
    Last edited: Jul 12, 2015
  9. blatter

    blatter Solo Diver

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    Luckily there are lots of places to dive in Australia that are not in the Queensland jurisdiction. I have never been asked for a cert card to get a fill and diving off charter boats is usually a bit more relaxed/sensible in the southern states. Never heard of anyone being sued after a death from a private boat either. Would be interested to know more about that.

    The experience of diving Queensland is often too annoying and expensive for many Australians and most people from the southern states I know tend to go to other countries for tropical diving. Sad as there is great potential for solo diving and more technical divign that is not being realized, in my view.

    There are exceptions of course. Mike Ball has allowed allow solo diving for a long time, for example.
     
  10. Nemrod

    Nemrod Solo Diver

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    I do not see how PADI dive centers can disallow a particular PADI certification, especially if they actually teach the course. I ran into this on my most recent trip. After pointing this out to them they smugly asked me if I had a pony bottle thinking that they could disallow me on that only to have me to pull it out. At which point they mumbled something and waved their arm at me to which I assumed was an okay? But, once on the boat, prepping my gear, a fine fellow from Germany had neither a buddy nor a solo cert or a pony for that matter so I left the pony bottle and took him as my buddy.

    N
     

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