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have some "fun novelty " apps/feature
What are these "fun novelty" apps/feature you are talking about?


their price point is the same or slightly more than models from more establish and trusted brands.

As it was pointed out, they have a very wide range of prices that are very competitive against the competition at each price point. I deal with lots of brands and models and I find their prices very competitive. They are certainly far better and more reliable than the Suunto computers (and I have about ten Suunto computers).

My gut feeling is, they are not strong features that would tempt an experienced Tech diver etc

If I dived one I might be blown away, but as it stands I still need convincing not to go that way. For me losing the graphical display and customisation of the Eon is a big point - but that's just me

I know lots of technical and recreational divers that use Ratio computer but certainly hardly any technical divers using the Eon or Suunto computers in general. In fact, I know zero divers using Suunto computers for technical diving (unless as expensive depth gauges not as computers).

You are very stuck on your precious Eon and talk about things you have no direct personal experience with at all.
 
It may not have made it to their website yet. The feature has been available in their computers for a while but it was confirmed to me in person by their head of engineering when I met with him a couple of months ago. It will probably put up on their website when they have all of the systems in place with their dealers to do it.
You should have asked for a couple engineering samples for you and I.

You know for research and all :D
 
I'm no expert on general electronic / computer gadgetry, so excuse my ignorance, but: Is there a market out there for a simple, cost effective, rec only LED comp out there? Reason I ask is that a LOT of rec divers have difficulty reading LCD and are interested in the higher end models purely because of the screen.

Again, I have no idea, but does it cost a lot more to produce an LED interface? In my head I'm thinking maybe a zoop / puck type product for maybe 50 $ € £ more. Or maybe there a commercial reasons why they want push divers to the mid / high end comps
In my opinion yes there would be a market for it. From my observation a good portion of rec vacation divers are middle aged or even senior and are using lower priced computers as it does all they will ever need. Many of these older divers likely have some degree of visual correction so a bright crisp screen with an easy interface would be a great product. The Ratio iDive easy looks interesting.
 
Simple, cost-effective, LCD was the original Zoop. They're great computers, except they don't make them any more and they were susceptible to the same crappy depth sensor batch that's been plaguing Suunto for years now it seems. If there was a 2-button Zoop, w/nitrox and gauge mode, phosphorescent backlight, with something other than RGBM, it would be great. Make it $150 and you've got a winner.
 
As it was pointed out, they have a very wide range of prices that are very competitive against the competition at each price point. I deal with lots of brands and models and I find their prices very competitive. They are certainly far better and more reliable than the Suunto computers (and I have about ten Suunto computers).
I know lots of technical and recreational divers that use Ratio computer but certainly hardly any technical divers using the Eon or Suunto computers in general. In fact, I know zero divers using Suunto computers for technical diving (unless as expensive depth gauges not as computers).

I get it, you're a dealer and protective/biased about the product you represent.

I know lots of Tech and Rec divers here using Suunto and Shearwater and none that use Ratio. Means nothing. Move on.

What are these "fun novelty" apps/feature you are talking about?

Pitch Roll, Magmeter, and moon phase. The latter 2 might be of use on limited occasions but they're a must have nor really something that would be a must have

Mix analyser nice Idea, but I'd probably personally prefer my trusty Oxycheck as its a separate unit and don't' need to get out the computer when testing tanks

The GPS is nice for convenience, and I'd probably tick that box. I have a hand held but on a dive boat I can see benefits of having to hand on my PCD rather than getting out my separate Garmin

You are very stuck on your precious Eon and talk about things you have no direct personal experience with at all.

You really do get quite offensive if someone doesn't agree with your POV. Meh!

My lack of experience extends to a shed load of actual dives with the Eon, the Perdix and OSTC Plus so I think I can make a broad assessment of the Ratio, but you'll note I'm always careful to note things that are important to me - which may not be to others


Look there are things I like about the Ratio (on paper as I don't have a physical computer)

I like the 4 button interface - I don't like one or two buttons - others differ

I like the way it deals with multiple transmitters - indeed that's its strong point and sets it aside from the rest in that detail

It alludes (but no detail in the manual or the website) to a replaceable battery. Now if that was something like a AA where you had the choice to recharge in the computer or quickly swap out - that would be a strong point

On the face of it rechargeable Tx seem a positive step. But recharge contacts, whether on a computer or dive/video light require constant maintenance because they corrode in saltwater with the constant but small potential difference between the contacts. Also do I wish to be bothered charging every 10 dive hrs (assuming recharge at 50%) or do I prefer a battery change once/twice a year? Pros and cons each way


Ignoring small price differences between different models of computers by different manufacturers in the same price bracket you come down to detail that are personal to you. You cite poor reliability by Suunto - my experience differs, and when I've had an issue its been resolved quickly in country here with contact to Suunto Finland YMMV

Shearwater - if I was in the US/CAN I'd send it back home, here Shearwater prefer me to go to 3rd party - or if I need to send it home - then I have to deal with the vagaries of International shipping from the ME. The same would be with Ratio or OSTC

And so it goes on. I'll never have the need for Tri mix nor CCR so those features don't apply

While you think I'm all things Eon, I'm not there are parts which I despise and I would much prefer better Tx management, but on balance considering all things important to me I'd still invest in another at this time

Given mine is 4 years old, I'm always on the look out to see where I'd go to next and if I actually got a ratio and liked it enough then my opinion might change. But as always this is my opinion on my need s and my experiences for the type of diving I do. Other people will be different
 
I get it, you're a dealer and protective/biased about the product you represent.

No, you don't get it, I am not!
 
Pitch Roll, Magmeter, and moon phase. The latter 2 might be of use on limited occasions but they're a must have nor really something that would be a must have

So don't use them. My understand that most of the "apps" in the computer are there because the hardware is already there for diving purposes. You can deactivate them with the software no problem.

Mix analyser nice Idea, but I'd probably personally prefer my trusty Oxycheck as its a separate unit and don't' need to get out the computer when testing tanks
It is an "add on" option you don't have to get it. I have it and think that it is very convenient.


The GPS is nice for convenience, and I'd probably tick that box. I have a hand held but on a dive boat I can see benefits of having to hand on my PCD rather than getting out my separate Garmin


I find it convenient and nice to have. I use it often enough to start to rely on it when diving new spots. BUT, you can buy the version that doesn't have it, the iX3M Pro. Their wrist computers don't have GPS option.


It alludes (but no detail in the manual or the website) to a replaceable battery. Now if that was something like a AA where you had the choice to recharge in the computer or quickly swap out - that would be a strong point

It is a builtin "dealer" or "Distributor" replaceable battery that has 8 - 10 year lifetime. The battery charge lasts for a very long time after full charge. I haven't tried it on a Liveaboard type of diving scenario yet however.


On the face of it rechargeable Tx seem a positive step. But recharge contacts, whether on a computer or dive/video light require constant maintenance because they corrode in saltwater with the constant but small potential difference between the contacts. Also do I wish to be bothered charging every 10 dive hrs (assuming recharge at 50%) or do I prefer a battery change once/twice a year? Pros and cons each way

I haven't had any issue with corrosion with any contact yet at all. I simply rinse it in fresh water and leave to dry.


I'll never have the need for Tri mix nor CCR so those features don't apply

Ratio computers have several models from "Basic" to "REB" and you choose the one that suits your needs. Their basic models can do 3 mixes but no He. You pay a lot less $$ for the basic than the full Trimix or CCR version but you have the option to upgrade the software in the basic to the next model when your needs change and you need the more advanced features. The prices for Ratio's basic models are very competitive for what they do compared with others especially when you consider that your investment is protected in the future since you can upgrade it to the higher model without having to buy a new one.

While you think I'm all things Eon, I'm not there are parts which I despise and I would much prefer better Tx management, but on balance considering all things important to me I'd still invest in another at this time

Given mine is 4 years old, I'm always on the look out to see where I'd go to next and if I actually got a ratio and liked it enough then my opinion might change. But as always this is my opinion on my need s and my experiences for the type of diving I do. Other people will be different

I truly respect that and I think that it is great to have people with different tastes, opinions and knowledge. As I get older, I like diversity more. If I had to buy another Suunto, the only one I'd consider would be the Vyper nothing else.

Peace!!
 
I own 2 computers so far - Suuunto D6i Novo and Shearwater teric. If cost is not an issue, then i would suggest you to look into Shearwater company, also its headquarter is located in Canada itself

The functionality of a Shearwater computer might exceed your needs as a recreational diver but hey, cost is a not a problem right?

Aqualung and Cressi computers are quite nice and most of the newer versions have AI compatibility.

Some people like computers that have multi-sport functionality such as the descent MK1 but get a proper specialised equipment than a jack of all trade gimmic will ya?
 
any one try the deep blue cosmiq it has me intrigued with the bright screen and magnetic charging.on the reviews say its conservative but shares the same algorithm as my i300 and i am ok with it further more it has a real nice price tag
 
https://www.shearwater.com/products/perdix-ai/

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