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Death at Dutch Springs

Discussion in 'Accidents and Incidents' started by dumaresq, Sep 8, 2013.

  1. RJP

    RJP Scuba Media & Publications

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    You actually fall into group 3, I think...

    I could mention that Izzy might have been gored by a unicorn...

    So a diver with no lights, an empty tank, with a buddy too far away, gored by a unicorn... is another "possible scenario."

    ---------- Post added September 21st, 2013 at 12:55 AM ----------

    Hypothesis: a supposition or proposed explanation made on the basis of evidence, utilized as a starting point for further investigation.

    Speculation: the forming of a theory or conjecture without evidence.

    Baseless: without foundation in fact.

    Would seem that what typically goes on is more along the lines of "baseless speculation."
     
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  2. chillyinCanada

    chillyinCanada Solo Diver Staff Member

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    Hypothetically, I'm horrified if any of this baseless speculation turns out to be true. No light, overweighted, no air, = no buddy check, no self check, night diving without a light??and again buddy or fellow divers having tacitly gone along with that poor decision, not giving a modicum of extra care for him . . .
     
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  3. RJP

    RJP Scuba Media & Publications

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    Don't worry, all of the the things that actually happened will be enough to horrify you. There's really no need to add made-up stuff to the list of senseless things that occurred here.
     
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  4. Ayisha

    Ayisha DIR Practitioner

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    In the scenario above:

    If your bc was already at least partially inflated, nothing would happen. Positive buoyancy would be established at the surface.
    If you checked your air pressure before descending, nothing would happen. You would see the low pressure and not begin the dive.
    If air pressure had been checked on the previous dive and the dive turned at a reasonable pressure, it would not have only "a couple of breaths".
    If you have a redundant lift source since you're planning to carry more equipment than the lift capacity of your bc, nothing would happen.
    It would require a few failures at various points for "something" to happen in the above scenario.
     
  5. chillyinCanada

    chillyinCanada Solo Diver Staff Member

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    It was previous posts from which I lifted the horrifying speculative items. Dramatic analysis added by me.

    How is it you know I'll be legitimately horrified over the actual events? Do you have speculative items to share?
     
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  6. Craig66

    Craig66 Manta Ray

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    Although none of us have a right to know what happened it would be helpful if those that know could let us know the facts. I personally use the A&I forum as a learning forum even if the only lesson to be learned is that being an experienced diver not only doesn't protect you but can make it more likely that you will make bad choices because you believe that your experience will get you through.

    What is definitely is not helpful or healthy is those that know, hinting at possible facts and scenarios.

    If the reason why several weeks after the event there are still no official facts being released is on a legal basis then we need to reevaluate whether this forum is even worth having.


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  7. RJP

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    When have you ever seen "official facts being released" (whatever that means) after a death/incident? Much less just "several weeks" afterwards? I can think of less than a handful of incidents, worldwide, where results of any official investigation were made public, and those were typically up to a year or more afterwards.
     
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  8. Craig66

    Craig66 Manta Ray

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    RJP, maybe official wasn't the right word. Nonetheless you know what I mean. Case in point, there is a poster in this forum who goes by the name of RJP, perhaps you know him. Generally speaking RJP is a credible source of information. RJP wrote:
    Clearly RJP has information that although not "official" is accurate and yet he has chosen to hint at certain mistakes but as of yet has yet to give any real information that can help make sense of this accident and help us make sure that we are not victims if the same tragedy.



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  9. RJP

    RJP Scuba Media & Publications

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    When a person writes something, I assume they knew what they meant... and worded what they wrote accordingly. Not sure how I would know that you actually meant something different than what your wrote.

    I haven't hinted at anything in this thread. I was not present for the incident. Accordingly I have no first-hand information to share.
     
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  10. openmindOW

    openmindOW HSA Instructor

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    RJP, I'd like to ask you some questions. If you please, Sir.

    Have you been to Dutch Springs since, July 1, 2013?

    Do you occasionally dive Dutch?

    Are you personally acquainted with anyone who works at Dutch springs?
     

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