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General Vortex Incident Discussion

Discussion in 'Cave Diving' started by sabbath999, Aug 25, 2010.

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  1. Kevin Carlisle

    Kevin Carlisle Loggerhead Turtle

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    They are specially trained and certified to do this. They are also like on scene detectives. They take all kinds of notes and preserve eveidence for topside investigation.
     
  2. Cave Diver

    Cave Diver Divemaster

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    Just like any crime or accident scene information must be preserved. Notes must me made on body location, gear configuration and a whole host of other issues. Gear should be checked and noted before the body is moved, etc. This needs to be done by someone who is trained to do it and knows the procedure to keep the chain of custody intact. If the body is found by a non ICURR diver, they would likely mark the location by attaching a reel to it for easy re-location by the recovery team.

    Information on the IUCRR: http://www.iucrr.org/p_whoweare.htm

    Here is some interesting stats: http://www.iucrr.org/fatalities.pdf
     
  3. Hetland

    Hetland Solo Diver

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    I've not seen any press or locals mentioning FBI, only family/friends, so I'm not certain there is FBI involvement. Maybe someone who has been on scene can confirm this?

    FBI might have been the easiest agency to get cadaver dogs from. The family might have some political pull. I can't think of any other reason for them to be there, but there is a lot we don't know atm I'm sure.
     
  4. Crush

    Crush Solo Diver

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    From Federal Bureau of Investigation - FBI Dive Team :

    The team generally follows recreational diving limits, descending no deeper than 130 feet for non-decompression dives.​

    This is not to say that they can't do it - this is unclear to me.

    If I was on the FBI Underwater Search Evidence Response Team (USERT) crew down there (and I don't know if USERT is there or not) I would try to deputize an experienced cave diver. :) (this is a joke - no flames please).
     
  5. diverdoug1

    diverdoug1 Marine Scientist

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    Possible, but not probable. If this were to occur, it would not happen for another couple of weeks.
     
  6. divinsiren

    divinsiren Angel Fish

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    It's man made... Actively dug out... Correct. My dad has been instructing there for over 30 years as beginner ow training... The innerards that is.
     
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  7. Rick Murchison

    Rick Murchison Trusty Shellback Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

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    "It" is the basin, the open water area.
    The cave's been there for a long, long, long time... :)
    Rick
     
  8. Divedoggie

    Divedoggie Instructor, Scuba

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    After re-watching the interview with the brother, Tim McDaniels, it sounds like a video might go a long way toward helping the family understand what it looks like down there, what the searchers saw, and why requesting more divers is not a good idea.
    A video might help them have some closure.
     
  9. divinsiren

    divinsiren Angel Fish

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    thanks :wink: he just called to further explain it to me.
     
  10. Kevin Carlisle

    Kevin Carlisle Loggerhead Turtle

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    I don't think that would work unless you talk the same divers who went there into going back. A normal cave diver will not go in spots this small and stopping short of it really won't do any justice.
     
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