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Ginnie Springs diver missing - Florida

Discussion in 'Accidents & Incidents' started by DandyDon, Jan 22, 2021.

  1. DanBMW

    DanBMW Solo Diver

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    The FAA does very little in the way of skydiving investigating. Mostly to just determine if broad guidelines were followed and the pilot was in compliance. The USPA does a limited amount and that is shared with the skydiving community. There is always a lot of speculating after an incident and sometimes there is video and witnesses. Like SCUBA unfortunately, many times we just don't know the actual cause of the fatality. Lots of good guesses and they do sometimes help in future safety advisors.
     
  2. boulderjohn

    boulderjohn Technical Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    That depends upon the police. It is like any other fatality. If it looks like a heart attack, the investigation will be minimal. Otherwise, it could be quite extensive. Their reports are usually obtainable through FOI. In a few cases, those investigations have led to prosecution.

    My entry into reporting incidents began a number of years ago when I was with a cave diving group in the vicinity of an incident (fortunately, as it turned out, non-fatal). After the victim was airlifted out, the investigation began on the spot. I would guess there were a dozen police there. One of the divers in my group was a local expert who worked with the police frequently on dive incidents, and he was mostly in charge. The police took notes while we recovered and analyzed the victim's gear and announced our findings. Few of the police had any expertise in diving, so we spent a lot of time answering technical questions.

    The police left the site with a lot of information, the diver's gear, etc. I don't know what they concluded because I did not go to FOI act to get the report.
     
  3. KevinNM

    KevinNM DIR Practitioner

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    I recently went through the list of FAA reports on parachute related incidents in California for a couple of years a few months ago. "Detailed report" is not what I would would call them. Number of people involved are often vague, number of injures or fatalities in the header often doesn't match the narrative, suspect causes usually not provided, operator almost never identified, equipment almost never identified, etc.
     
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  4. Manatee Diver

    Manatee Diver Stop throwing lettuce at me! ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Well to be fair to the FAA, skydivers are just a living TFOA.
     
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  5. Scraps

    Scraps ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Another important difference is the military's ability to partition off the safety investigation from disciplinary proceedings. They can compel cooperation with safety investigations because what's honestly reported to safety investigators can't be used against someone in a court martial or nonjudicial punishment proceeding. I suppose liability would be another difference.
     
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  6. ICatchBadGuys

    ICatchBadGuys Contributor

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    That's interesting. I assumed (my bad , haha) the FAA had more comprehensive reports than that. When we investigated them in them military it was much more thorough and I assumed (again, my bad) that the FAA did at least the same level of investigation.
     
  7. ICatchBadGuys

    ICatchBadGuys Contributor

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    That's a dynamic that we have to consider when we investigate uses of police force, etc. The officers can be compelled by their Department to provide information related their incident to determine if they acted within or outside policy, etc. However, they have their Constitutional rights related to self incrimination, etc for incidents that are being looked for potential criminal charges against them. So we have to make sure we don't blur the lines between the two and that investigators looking at one aspect of the investigation don't have access to the other, and vice versa.
     

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