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Ginnie Springs Map

Discussion in 'Cave Diving' started by kosap1, Jul 9, 2009.

  1. kosap1

    kosap1 Instructor, Scuba

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    Does anyone know where I can find a map of the Devil system online? I guess I'm actually looking for the page 2 of the map.

    I have found the detailed map done by Steve Berman, however it only includes page one. I know that its for sale in the Ginnie office but I just want to start getting familiar with the map before i start diving it.

    I am planning on doing some dives there over the next 4 months or so. In the past I have done some very limited penetration (max 200'). In the beginning I'm going to stick to short penetrations getting progressively longer. I know there is no substitute for the experience of actually diving it but I would like to get at least a vague idea of what to expect down there.
     
  2. loquat149

    loquat149 Barracuda

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  3. kosap1

    kosap1 Instructor, Scuba

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    Thats a pretty cool page. I like it. But it still only has the "page 1" of the map. On the far right of that map in small letters it says "continued on map #2". That is where the Henkel restriction is. Thanks for looking!
     
  4. Cave Bum

    Cave Bum Instructor, Scuba

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    Page 2 of Steve's map isn't really very detailed. He was in the process of mapping that part when he died. I'd suggest Jeff Hancock's map. Contact Larry Green at Eagles Nest Diving to buy a copy. There is no on-line version.

    PS - It is a bit pricey... :)
     
  5. ucfdiver

    ucfdiver DIR Practitioner

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    Yup, the heinkle is there....but you haven't even been to the keyhole.

    If you're dead set on seeing the heinkle, grab 2 stage bottles, a 40 of o2, and then follow the bright gold line for 3100ft until the line turns white, you'll see a no dpv beyond this point slate, and then a restriction that looks like the lips, completely beat up, white, nothing special. I think the only reason you hear so many people wanting to get to the heinkle is because instructors make a goal oriented dive out of it by saying "If you haven't swam to the heinkle, you shouldn't scooter". I have no idea why following goldline for 2/3 of a mile makes you more qualified to scooter, and I think it's silly how much people talk it up.

    There's a lot of cave to be seen in Ginnie (much prettier cave at that) without putting yourself 3100ft from fresh air.
     
    Last edited: Jul 9, 2009
  6. brokenbones

    brokenbones Angel Fish

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: CANADA!!!!
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    But it is worth it...the accuracy of the details are great! We used both Jeff's and a cheaper version. The cheaper version (the one you can buy at the Ginnie dive shop) is missing a lot of information and lacks a lot of accuracy.
     
  7. kosap1

    kosap1 Instructor, Scuba

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    Location: Florida
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    I'm not doing it because I think it will make me more "qualified" to scooter. I am doing it because I think it is a good goal to set in my cave diving future. I think that knowing that you are capable of going that far into a cave and feeling comfortable doing it, you will feel like a more comfortable diver overall.

    So far in my diving career every new step that I have taken has made me feel much more comfortable at lower levels. When I became an Instructor I felt comfortable teaching students and handling students in all situations but I realized that just doing regular open water dives with my friends and family that my skills and abilities had tremendously improved.

    So I know that something like the Henkel is just another rock with a hole in it but in my mind it is a goal that I can work up to and meet. And once I get there I will do other, shorter penetration, dives that will make me realize how far I have come in my cave education.
     
  8. Tegg

    Tegg NAUI Instructor

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    You will know you have made progress when you decide to not use maps and instead learn a cave by diving it.
     
  9. JahJahwarrior

    JahJahwarrior ScubaBoard Supporter Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

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    This is just great, a diver planning a dive to the Heinkle, who's never made it to the Keyhole.

    For most people, the Heinkle involves stages and deco. I have no clue what kind of diving experience you have, but that bit about only having 200' of penetration seems like a flag to me. I'm not one to tell someone how to dive, but seriously, if I were you, I'd see everything on Berman's map 1 before you move on to map 2. Much better and safer to start at the front and work back.

    Also do listen to Tegg-- maps can be an important tool, but it's incredibly valuable to have tons of experience in a cave, much more so than to have memorized the map. Hancock's map used to be great for planning, but some lines have changed and there is plenty that's not on the Hancock map even.

    If you want to know you are comfortable in a cave, I think you should move off the mainline.
     
  10. ucfdiver

    ucfdiver DIR Practitioner

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    Just realize that the heinkle isn't a dive that requires hardly any skill, so don't mistake it for a dive that really teaches you a whole lot.

    If you want to see your skills improve, go get off the mainline at peacock, get to the north east corner of Ginnie, or go take a swim up river to dive telford. Those passsages vary in size, flow, and siltyness.

    Just my opinion....and yes, I followed the advise that JahJah suggested, I saw the entire Berman map 1 before swimming to and beyond the heinkle.
     

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