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Hate the name: Dive Con

Discussion in 'SSI: Scuba Schools International' started by tridacna, Nov 4, 2016.

  1. tridacna

    tridacna ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    All meaningless nomenclature. I wish that agencies would standardize on a single system. No reason nor any drive to so unfortunately. The more graduated and silly titles there are, the more $ comes rolling in. PADI are not alone in this regard.
     
  2. guruboy

    guruboy Divemaster ScubaBoard Supporter

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    NAUI AI can only teach with a full instructor present. I don't think they can lead a dive.
     
  3. rick00001967

    rick00001967 Tech Instructor

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    If you did your nitro diver level to get your advanced or master diver card previously then it should be listed on the card. Then you only need to bring the one card. I usually avoid bringing a pro level card. No need
     
  4. BCSGratefulDiver

    BCSGratefulDiver Mental toss flycoon ScubaBoard Supporter

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    NAUI only started doing certification numbers a few years ago for their non-pro divers ...

    ... Bob (Grateful Diver)
     
  5. BCSGratefulDiver

    BCSGratefulDiver Mental toss flycoon ScubaBoard Supporter

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    PADI and NAUI DM are not equal ...

    ... Bob (Grateful Diver)
     
  6. tstormdiver

    tstormdiver Instructor, Scuba

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    SSI has 3 levels here-
    • Dive Guide- Can lead certified divers on dives
    • Dive Master- same as Dive guide & is also considered a certified assistant (can be extra ears & eyes for an instructor)
    • Dive Control Specialist- Same as above, plus can also teach the academics, some skills in the pool (Can not teach any emergency ascent skills) under the indirect supervision of an instructor. They can not conduct Open water evaluations. They can do skills updates & Try Scuba Sessions in the pool. If they go through the proper procedures, they can also teach classes, such as buoyancy, navigation, equipment, 1st aid/ CPR, AED & O2, photography & such.
    By ISO standards, they are considered to be Assistant Instructors.
     
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  7. tridacna

    tridacna ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I understand SSI DM & DC. What exactly can the DG do? Why can't a OW diver lead certified divers on a dive? Why do you need to be a certified Dive Guide for that? Is this only for training?
     
  8. tstormdiver

    tstormdiver Instructor, Scuba

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    No reason an OW diver could not, other than a DG must carry liability insurance, in case things go sideways. The DG course goes over group monitoring & group control techniques & how to keep guided dives within recreational parameters.
     
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  9. Germie

    Germie Cave Instructor

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    Every diver can lead a dive or guide, I have done this several times voluntary before I was a dm. There is no dm or whatever needed. But this is not in a business situation. I was most times the most experienced diver or I was the person who wanted to be explore the unknown divesites. This had nothing to do with diving with a guide at a divecenter.

    Then the DM level, that is for every agency the same level. Yes there are differences between padi, naui, iantd, cmas, etc. But with a cmas dm card you can go to the padi idc for example (I have looked at this way, but padi was too expensive, so I decided to go to the iantd instructor way).
    There is a (N) EN norm / ISO for dm and that is for every agency same, but the courses can be different, the endlevel too, but all are 'equivalent'. Just if you want to work for a divecenter there can be a way to choose for agency X or Y. But otherwise, DM is DM. Even the GUE REC3 is divemaster level (same ISO). :D
     
    Last edited: Nov 7, 2016
  10. Bennno

    Bennno Banned

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    No, they're not all the same. The ISO/EN standards are meaningless in this case. I could buy a card printer today and start selling DM training and still be in compliance with the standards. Most agenies are just private companies and they can call their products/training whatever they want.

    GUE training has a WAY higher standard than IANDT for instance, being ISO compliant has nothing to do with it. I have seen several IANDT Tec Instructors that are worse divers than GUE trained noobs. I'm not even kidding or exaggerating!
    People often mistake ISO/EN/CE markings for quality seal... they're not.

    There are so many useless and pointless ISO and EN standards out there... it's rediculous.
     
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