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Hertz rental upgrade at airport: bring cash

Discussion in 'Cozumel' started by PeterNBiddle, Mar 27, 2012.

  1. vladimir

    vladimir ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I don't pity the owner with inadequate controls, I pity the person who thinks stealing from him is ethical.

    If they have mechanisms for securing valuables, then they have an adequate sense of personal property, so yes, it's still theft. If property is held in common in Yapese communities, and you were living in such a community, the ethics would be murkier. None of which is relevant to the Cozumel Hertz.

    There is an important distinction between extortion and bribery. I have been extorted by the Indonesian police, for example, and paid with no ethical qualms (but some anger). In that situation I did not have reasonable choices and did not solicit a dishonest transaction, I was coerced into one, and I was the only victim.

    If you offer a bribe to the rental agent, you have initiated a conspiracy to defraud Hertz, the victim. If you accept the agent's offer of an upgrade in return for a bribe, you have freely entered into a conspiracy when refusing it would have cost you nothing.

    In either case it's really unethical, and, I expect, really illegal as well.

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    This is plausible. I would have no ethical qualms in your shoes.
     
  2. PeterNBiddle

    PeterNBiddle Manta Ray

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    Always. I'm painfully honest. It's a real PITA. If I find cash on the ground I ask people in the immediate area if it's theirs. I over-tip too.

    I had my first real job the summer after 8th grade. God bless that employer for LYING and saying that I was a family farm-hand, it was the only way they could pay me. I needed that job - it was the only way I'd have any cash to spend and it paid for things like new eye-glasses. But I suppose that was ethically and morally wrong too? Should I have corrected them for lying about me and thus not gotten the job? Or reported them to the feds so that not only would I not get the job, several other people - folks who needed it way more than I did - lost their jobs too?

    You haven't actually called me a thief. Yet. Can we just get that out of the way now? Can you just say it clearly one way or the other?

    That helps shape the conversation and then I don't have to go to the bother of feeling like you are calling me names when you aren't - or vice versa for that matter.
     
  3. cgvmer

    cgvmer Divemaster Candidate

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    Hmmm so all those gas stations offering gas for $.10 less means I'm bribing the attendant.
     
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  4. Mike

    Mike Great White

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    For some it doesn't make a difference what the answer to your question is. Some people their ethics are their ethics and 'opportunity', another culture, a situation...etc.. has no bearing on them. Momma taught a lot of little boys when they were growing up, the lesson of "if everybody was jumping of a bridge would you have to do it to?" Some little boys took the lesson to heart, some didn't. Some learned to do what's right regardless of what others are doing.
     
  5. nimoh

    nimoh Public Safety Diver

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    what do I care if it is under the table or not? it is up to the business owner to police that, not me
     
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  6. DandyDon

    DandyDon Old men ought to be explorers ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Interesting discussion really. Not really black vs white.
     
  7. ReefHound

    ReefHound PADI Pro

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    There are a lot of self-anointed saints on this board...
     
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  8. Mike

    Mike Great White

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    I see. So if you forgot to lock your front door and someone walked in and stole your TV set, according to you, you would not want to be able to have that person arrested or convicted of burglary because it was up to you to police your homes security by locking the door, you didn't do it, so it's your fault he stole from you, you deserved it and he did nothing wrong.

    Opportunity isn't an excuse for taking party to theft.

    If an employee of a restaurant motioned you over to the cash register, did a couple of sideways glances over his shoulder to make sure nobody was looking, opened the register up and said, here take some, as he started stuffing 20s in his pocket, you'd be right there taking them out of the register with him, and your excuse would be "it is up to the business owner to police that, not me"
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    It's unbelievable how full the world is with thieves.
     
  9. ianr33

    ianr33 Solo Diver

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    Candy from Dandy.

    But Liquor is Quicker. :D
     
  10. DandyDon

    DandyDon Old men ought to be explorers ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Can I do that at the airport rental counter? :eek:
    You know, the idea that old saying is based on is now called rape?
     

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