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How an independent instructor can sell Mares product as authorized dealer

Discussion in 'Mares... Just add Water!' started by oly5050user, Oct 15, 2009.

  1. oly5050user

    oly5050user Dive Travel Professional

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    yes..it is not good for the industry...upset me,not really.Just do not like it when there are established rules and they are broken.Really not fair for everyone.From the dealer to the consumer who gets a surprise that no one will assist them when there is a problem.You really think a consumer can benefit from purchasing gear from the back of a truck? Where do they go to find the guy if he has problems with purchase?
     
  2. DennisS

    DennisS Marine Scientist

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    You succeeded, you got him
     
  3. oly5050user

    oly5050user Dive Travel Professional

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    This has been going on for years and this is not the only manufacturer that dealt with the guy.DUI did a few years ago on the expectations of giiving him dry suits at NO CHARGE to use in teaching scuba in the south Bronx..ok very noble endeavor.I have no issue with it except did the underprivilaged kids get to use the suits? NO..The suits were used by this instructor and his familly.Suits that did not fit him or his people(usually the smaller sizes) he tried to sell to a LDS that I was teaching at the time,rather than have the kids use them.. Owner refused to deal with him...Very noble of him...:(
     
  4. theduckguru

    theduckguru Divemaster Candidate

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    You keep saying this and I'll just have to disagree with you.

    When I buy new gear online, I am buying from the back of a truck in some cases. As a consumer, I understand I may be getting less after sales service, but really that should be my decision not yours.

    Systems that artifically set higher prices aren't good for anyone.
     
  5. oly5050user

    oly5050user Dive Travel Professional

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    so you are saying that purchasing gear from the back of a truck,with no place to go if there is a problem-the guy just moves around and you cannot find him -is a good thing.How about the legality of it when he has no business license or tax # to collect any sales tax that may be due? Sorry but I may have a higher level of ethics than some others do.
    Yes systems that artifically set prices may not be good for anyone,but how do you compare sales from a facility that pays rent-electric bill-insurance-tax, to someone that has no overhead except for his car roof? ..online companies have overhead, so they can excluded from the issue here,your online purchases are only delivered from a truck not retailed from them.
     
  6. theduckguru

    theduckguru Divemaster Candidate

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    The guy you mention has overhead, just a lot lower than you like.

    Your real ethics complaint is the person is selling gear without a store front, compressor and service department at a price that undercuts the competition.

    Just wondering, have you ever bought produce from the guys selling from a truck or wagon? Are they unethical for undercutting the local grocery?
     
    Last edited: Oct 27, 2009
  7. oly5050user

    oly5050user Dive Travel Professional

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    ethics complaint is this guy may not be collecting sales tax ..As to no store front,compressor and service/training dept that is all required to be a dealer.The playing field is supposed to be level,as those are requirements set by the manufacturer. Do not tie the hands of a legitimate retailer.If the requirements to be a dealer are non existant,then no problem.Let everyone play by the same rules. No rules- then a legitimate retailer can offer for sale at any price they wish.There would be no msrp or map.Do not impose requirements for one and not enforce them on others.
    Yes I have purchased produce from a farmers market.They have business licenses and collect and pay their sales tax.They do not get their produce from a manufacturer that has rules for retailer to sell the items and different rules for others.
     
  8. oly5050user

    oly5050user Dive Travel Professional

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    ethics complaint is this guy may not be collecting sales tax ..As to no store front,compressor and service/training dept that is all required to be a dealer.The playing field is supposed to be level,as those are requirements set by the manufacturer. Do not tie the hands of a legitimate retailer.If the requirements to be a dealer are non existant,then no problem.Let everyone play by the same rules. No rules- then a legitimate retailer can offer for sale at any price they wish.There would be no msrp or map.Do not impose requirements for one and not enforce them on others.
    Yes I have purchased produce from a farmers market/truck.They have licenses and collect and pay their sales tax.You cannot compare produce to gear.The manfacturer of dive gear set up requirements to be a dealer. I doubt farmers have such requirements to sell their produce.So let EVERYONE who meets manufacturers requirements and wish to be a dealer do so..No problem as long as all meet said requirements established by manufacturer..If anyone can sell gear without meeting these requirements then remove restraints on legitimate dealers.Remove dealer agreements and msrp and map pricing.
     
  9. theduckguru

    theduckguru Divemaster Candidate

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    So its ethical to undercut legitimate groceries who likely submit to health inspections, pay rents, insurance, union wages, electric ect, but unethical to undercut scuba shops. Ok, got it.
     
  10. D_B

    D_B Kimber/TekDiveGirl storyteller and memory keeper ScubaBoard Sponsor

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    apples/oranges

    Only if the farmer has an agreement that his products can only be sold in stores and finds that your not doing so .. he can stop selling to you or sending people to you to buy his produce
     

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