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INDONESIA - 2021 Cancellations Ahead, is your booking at risk?

Discussion in 'Indonesia' started by Cert1967, Dec 20, 2020.

  1. kelemvor

    kelemvor Big Fleshy Monster ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Largo, FL USA
    I wonder as people get vaccinated and things begin to return to normal will folks ever trust destinations with a deposit again. I know I wouldn't. Using domestic travel agents who keep a deposit in escrow might be a good middle ground. Have Indonesian operators started doing this yet?
  2. ontdiver

    ontdiver Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Ottawa, Ontario
    Me neither, particularly if you are booking out more than 6 months in advance. Too many variables for the near term.

    In the past couple of years we have always paid a bit more on one particular booking site for fully refundable reservations that we pay in advance. Much quicker than having to deal with trip cancellation/interruption insurance.
  3. drrich2

    drrich2 ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Southwestern Kentucky
    It's worth noting that while in theory science is apolitical (it's conducted by humans, and not much involving groups of humans is fully apolitical), its applications are not. Science may give us a 'best guess' estimated range of values (e.g.: how long until how much ecological damage from climate change is likely to affect an area) for a matter of interest. Occasionally it gives us a definite answer (e.g.: yes/no, 1+1=2, etc...), but sometimes an estimated range with a confidence interval or similar.

    But...what we do with the science gets political fast. An organization like the CDC can draw on research studies and have actuaries calculate things like the estimated odds of one of us catching SARS-Covid-2 on a given trip (say, to Cozumel, or Raja Ampat) despite good preventive practices, the odds of that case being a clinically significant variant, the odds of spreading that variant to other nations (e.g.: bring it up, or infect another traveller bound elsewhere), etc...

    What science doesn't do is make the value-based judgment call as to what level of risk is acceptable, and what level is not. So, if I say I'm a 51 year old guy in America who's had both doses of the Moderna vaccine and I'm moderate on prevention practices, and I submit a travel plan to a given destination, they could number crunch my risks. But their analysis won't say what's safe enough (or not) until a human(s) set the bar.
    drl, Mephki and Indah like this.
  4. Indah

    Indah Contributor

    # of Dives: 5,000 - ∞
    Location: Weda, Lembeh and Rao Morotai
    Already before this pandemic we did not ask for any deposit. However, we asked people to send a copy of the flight tickets by email to us to confirm the reservation. Worked always fine for both parties. But it makes it almost impossible to work with agents/travel operators.
    drrich2 and chillyinCanada like this.
  5. Storker

    Storker ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: close to a Hell which occasionally freezes over
    Since I've posted in the thread, I can't moderate it, but allow me a personal reflection:

    Do you seriously think that you can post whatever off-topic and/or inflaming crap you can think of, and then put the onus on the Mod Corps to clean up after you? What happened to that "personal responsibility" thing?
    chillyinCanada and tridacna like this.
  6. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board Staff Member

    # of Dives: I just don't log dives
    Location: Cave Country!

    A ScubaBoard Staff Message...

    This is a Scuba travel thread.
    Politics are not allowed.
    Please confine all discussions about politics and/or religion to our Pub subforum.
    This includes any biased names you may want to give Covid/Sars2.

    chillyinCanada likes this.
  7. Mephki

    Mephki Registered

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: USA
    My trip in April is officially cancelled, looking like no Raja yet. :(
  8. BigJeff

    BigJeff Contributor

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: Wales
    My April/May trip to Thailand (Phuket) and Indonesia (Manado - Gangga/NAD) is now delayed again. Future dates unknown as there are almost no flights and borders are closed to tourists.

    I'm not going to say cancelled as resorts have been kind enough to delay bookings more than once.
  9. chillyinCanada

    chillyinCanada ScubaBoard Supporter Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

  10. chillyinCanada

    chillyinCanada ScubaBoard Supporter Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

    You aren't willing to do the SVQ in order to enjoy Thailand with almost no tourists?

    I understand that you had intended a double country trip but there are some other compensations in Thailand right now.

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