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Integrated weight vs. non-integrated

Discussion in 'Basic Scuba Discussions' started by emttim, Jul 23, 2008.

  1. Boxcar Overkill

    Boxcar Overkill Barracuda

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    Thal made a good point one day on an issue related to this.

    Basically, it's easier to rescue a distressed diver on the surface if you can ditch your weightbelt. Those weren't his exact words, but he said he's had to quickly ditch his weight belt 2 times in his life - both times were when he was rescuing a distressed diver on the surface.

    That said, I don't use a weight belt. I have a channel weight for my backplate, which I like better. But I think he makes a good point and I'll probably change over some day.
     
  2. emttim

    emttim Barracuda

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    If anyone flamed this post, I would laugh at them. Damn, thank you for an excellent post! Hell, that was good enough for me to try a weight belt out next time...the thought of the weight release system not working due to faulty design, too much air, etc. is not exactly encouraging.

    Oh, side note, whoever said I'm an idiot for saying someone is an idiot if he/she omits a pre-dive safety check, that statement is wrong on so many levels that I'm not even going to bother quoting it. You'll eventually get yourself killed if you don't do pre-dive safety checks, and if that's your cup of tea, then so be it.
     
  3. XXXL

    XXXL Divemaster Candidate

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    A lot of it comes down to where you dive. My wife has an intergrated BCD & we only dive in warm waters, normally above 26Deg C. She only uses 3Kg of weight so adding that to the BCD hardly makes any difference. She has dived with it for 6 years & never lost a pouch yet.
    The argument about loosing the weight can work both ways. If you have the weight evenly spread then losing 1 weight will make a difference, but not a s much as loosing a weightbelt conating more weight.

    In an emergency OK you have to pull both pouches out, instead of just releasing a buckle, & this will take a bit more time,but not much.
    It has the opposite effect on my wife to a weight belt giving her a slightly head down appearance in the water
     
  4. Boxcar Overkill

    Boxcar Overkill Barracuda

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    Thal made a good point one day on an issue related to this.

    Basically, it's easier to rescue a distressed diver on the surface if you can ditch your weightbelt. Those weren't his exact words, but he said he's had to quickly ditch his weight belt 2 times in his life - both times were when he was rescuing a distressed diver on the surface.

    That said, I don't use a weight belt. I have a channel weight for my backplate, which I like better. But I think he makes a good point and I'll probably change over some day.
     
  5. coreypenrose

    coreypenrose Solo Diver

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    If you go weight integrated with that steel 100 of yours, your BC is going to weight a ton, something that might be an issue if you have to lift it out of the water onto a boat.
     
  6. emttim

    emttim Barracuda

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    Well, every boat I've ever dived off of, you climb up the ladder or swim deck and onto the boat...you don't hand your gear up. I would imagine most if not all boat operators want to avoid that, since if they have a deck hand constantly stooping down to pick up heavy gear out of the water, they're at a much higher risk of workman's comp claims being filed which of course they have to pay.

    As far as lifting the scuba unit goes, usually on land I'll take the weight pockets out if it's convenient to do so, otherwise....hell a lot of the patients I have to lift at work I wish weighed as "little" as my scuba unit even with the steel 100....
     
  7. Codie

    Codie Angel Fish

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    In South Africa, most of the diving is done off inflatables, and gear is usually handed up to the skipper. First you hand your weight belt/pockets, then your BCD rig.
     
  8. ZzzKing

    ZzzKing Solo Diver

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    Maybe I wasn’t making my meaning clear. I was’t trying to say that a pre-dive safety check is something that an idiot would do. I was saying that anyone that would start a BS non-issue thread like this with a post that calls others that don’t dive like you do an idiot, must surely be an idiot. It was caustic, rude and uncalled for, Jack.
     
  9. ScubaSteve

    ScubaSteve Wow.....what a DB

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    I am a cold water diver and dive a combination of integrated and belt. I do this because it has my trim right where I want it for now. I do not dive feet or head down unless I mean to. However TSandM, I believe that your statement that integrated weights are the cause of improper trim in cold water divers....I humbly disagree. A belt is typically located lower on the person than the integrated (including trim pockets) therefore dragging "your bum" down and lower your feet (or at least they are very close togerther). If you are diving feet down then you want your weight distributed higher on your person. This will pull your top down. I believe the main cause for feet down diving is the lack of experience or the lack of good training / advice. Weight movement may be required (and should be discussed and pointed out by a good dive buddy or trainer) to correct one's trim, but that will happen with either belt or integrated.
     
  10. TSandM

    TSandM Missed and loved by many. Rest in Peace ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Steve, you're quite right. If you're diving with considerable weight, and put it all in the weight pockets OR on a belt, you likely be feet down. It's not an advantage of a belt to get proper trim; it comes with proper weight distribution, in either case.
     

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