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Jacket BCD vs. Backplate/Wing

Discussion in 'Basic Scuba Discussions' started by Doc Harry, Feb 11, 2011.

  1. MichaelMc

    MichaelMc Divemaster Candidate

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: Berkeley, CA
    Before we reignite a six year old thread, with likely elements of mine is better than yours, in proposing that DMs might make some initial judgements based on gear, my descriptions of diver A and B did not mention jacket or BP/W, just common vs more rare and sparkling new vs well used and adjusted to diver.
    Last edited: Jan 27, 2018
  2. CT-Rich

    CT-Rich Solo Diver

    Too late.... climb in, the mud is fine....
    northernone and BDSC like this.
  3. Eric Sedletzky

    Eric Sedletzky Great White

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Santa Rosa, CA
    I think most DM’s that have to manage hoards of divers everyday view divers as cattle regardless of what they have on. They may even like the divers with all new shiny expensive gear better because it probably means a better tip. The divers with old f’ed up and faded out gear are viewed as just too cheap to upgrade their stuff and broke so not good tippers.
    Other than that I think the dive masters could care less, as long as nobody’s an idiot and nobody dies.
  4. TMHeimer

    TMHeimer Divemaster

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Dartmouth,NS,Canada(Eastern Passage-Atlantic)
    Exactly--that's the way I was. Too cheap (but avg. tipper) and about the idiot/dying thing.
  5. Diving Dubai

    Diving Dubai Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Dubai UAE
    Step away from the Kool aid!

    I dive both. The equipment does not maketh the diver.

    I can hold trim and buoyancy just as accurately in a Jacket as I can a wing. A recent example when teaching was I controlled (my fingers resting on each divers shoulders) 2 divers coming up from 10m (30') I controlled the ascent rate, and the stop just by breathing (as my hands were tied up, all the time remaining horizontal and carrying 10lbs of excess lead.

    I never judge people by their equipment, just by their attitude, the way they assemble their gear, buddy check and actually dive
    Compressor and BurhanMuntasser like this.
  6. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Seattle
    You sure you are not posting from beyond the grave?

    I kid, I kid.
  7. g1138

    g1138 Marine Scientist

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Charleston, SC
    Dive C: Straddles an imaginary horse on the deck of the dive boat. Reaches far back between his crotch and pulls a beaver tail high up on his belly; velcros it in place.
    Brand new SeaTec Sunfish BC that smells of dreams and fresh listerine. Paired with a dingy plastic backpack that looks like it was salvaged off an 80's Scubapro STAB.
    Fins on; waddles sideways to the platform while giving an extended wink and finger guns to the divers still gearing up on the opposing bench.

    No initial judgements from the DM what.....so....ever. Just bewilderment.
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  8. uncfnp

    uncfnp Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: North Carolina
    As to the BPW vs Jacket, for me initially it was simply a matter of comfort. Before I found SB or knew the names or controversy about the options I simply felt more comfortable with a travel back inflate. In fact I bought it while still in open water class. I hated the confinement of the jacket from the very start. Then as I progressed it also became a matter of fit and function as I moved toward a true metal backplate and wing.

    I am sure I am bias but I think DM’s really do enjoy diving when they have a known group of competent divers regardless of the gear. No need to herd and they can actually relax and enjoy the dive themselves.
    Last edited: Jan 28, 2018
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  9. Magnus Lundstedt

    Magnus Lundstedt Divemaster

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: Umeå, sweden
    You are just wrong.

    I am the new diver, i set upp my bp/w system in about 15 minuters, witout anyone showing me.

    The problem with inflation is just a fantasy, It just work. I feel much more balanced than what i did in the jacket.

    I have not had any mentor telling me how to set it up, it is just so intiutive.

    I have my 2 small pockets to put camera and stuff in, i can clip off things to my D-rings, what more do I need?
  10. Magnus Lundstedt

    Magnus Lundstedt Divemaster

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: Umeå, sweden

    From one newbie to another.

    I did my first 2 weeks, 17 dives in a jacket, then i needed to buy stuff and went for a BP/W.

    The setup is kindof intiutive, you need to know what way to put in the straps buy it is easy.

    The surfade thing is not any real problem, you just float on your back, putting all the bladder in the water, realy not any problem. You just do it.

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