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Korean instructor gets two years for groping underwater

Discussion in 'Scuba Related Court Cases' started by DandyDon, Aug 8, 2018.

  1. DandyDon

    DandyDon Old men ought to be explorers ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: One kilometer high on the Texas High Plains
    Underwater sexual harassment gets scuba instructor two years behind bars
  2. KathyV

    KathyV ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Midwestern US
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2018
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  3. JamesBon92007

    JamesBon92007 Loggerhead Turtle

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: Southern California...too far from the ocean
    When my ex-wife took her scuba class in '83 the assistants spent a lot of time adjusting the harness straps in women's crotch areas. I would call what they did "groping." I made it very clear to them not to adjust my wife's straps or anything else.

    It's too bad because scuba diving is one sport that at least gave the illusion that women were included from the get-go. While it's true that many early ads showed attractive women in scuba gear, from my point of view it was more like "if you learn to dive you'll meet pretty women who also dive" rather than exploitation. There were, of course, some exceptions.

    For a fellow passenger on a boat it might be difficult to ascertain if the woman is willing or not. My approach would likely be to ask her if the guy is bothering her.
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  4. outofofficebrb

    outofofficebrb HARRO HUNNAYYY

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: San Francisco, California
  5. chillyinCanada

    chillyinCanada Solo Diver Staff Member

    Sadly, more common than one would think, particularly in certain places.

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  6. Storker

    Storker Divemaster

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: close to a Hell which occasionally freezes over
    That seems a bit OTT to me.

    Scuba diving involves some body contact. When I'm loaded down with 40kg of lead and gear, it's a lot easier to ask my buddy to help me with my crotch strap than to mess with it myself. There's also been other situations where some body contact or hand-to-body contact is almost unavoidable, particularly if you want to be fairly efficient. Having done co-ed martial arts in my youth, I'm probably less hung up about that than many are, though. When you're struggling to get a breath because your neck is locked between your opponent's thighs, what kind of body parts there are between those thighs really is one of your least concerns.

    The problem is actually twofold. The worst issue - by far - is of course creeps who use the situation to grope students or buddies. But there's also an issue on the other side: how much body contact is the other person comfortable with, and when is a bona fide attempt to help interpreted as inappropriate? Sports coaches have to navigate that minefield all the time, and the key is communication. Tell the student what you'll do, why you do it and ask them every time if they're comfortable with it.
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  7. xmass-Eve

    xmass-Eve Nassau Grouper

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: Boulder, CO
    Jailed for 2 years because of touching boobs? Wow, Korea is harsh... Lots of other countries you don't get even that for rape...
  8. DreadnoughtNH

    DreadnoughtNH Nassau Grouper

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: Portsmouth, NH
    Simple life rule that everyone, diver or not, should follow.

    Don't be an a$$hole.

    That's it.

    Don't be an a$$hole.

    If everyone followed this mantra, life would be far more pleasant.
  9. DanSinks

    DanSinks Nassau Grouper

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: Massachusetts
    Two years seems harsh for such an offense, there are plenty of women these days that grope men!
    I once was getting a hair cut and the female hair stylist kept leaning over and bumping into my face with her boob! Nearly poked out my eye! But I didn't complain!
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  10. Storker

    Storker Divemaster

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: close to a Hell which occasionally freezes over
    So what? One person's offense doesn't validate someone else's.
    To be more than a little stereotypical (and not just a little sarcastic): did you object? Was that a problem for you?

    To become serious again: I really don't know if you're describing a serious concern. If it was, you should have complained to the person's supervisor becuase sexual harassment - regardless of the harasser's and the harasseed's (is that a word?) gender - is a serious issue and should be handled appropriately. If it wasn't and you're just being facetious, please shut the heck up.

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