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Maximum depth for Open Water diver

Discussion in 'Basic Scuba Discussions' started by andy_j_briggs, Aug 31, 2005.

  1. garyfotodiver

    garyfotodiver Solo Diver

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    Thanks. Someone finally gave me the beginning of some serious info. Where can I find the details on this? Or is it something that only PADI instructors are privy to?
     
  2. Santa

    Santa Instructor, Scuba

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    comfortable, being a feeling not a method, can be veeery treacherous ...
     
  3. Iruka

    Iruka Barracuda

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    Just a comment that a deep dive doesn't necessarily mean a very short dive....I keep my customers within rec. limits, but go quite a bit deeper on my days off. Of course, the time at the max. depth will be fairly short, but I'll routinely have a dive of an hour or so even when well past rec. limits. Just slowly work my way up, enjoying the shallow reef, after having enjoyed seeing coral that hasn't been stepped on, grabbed, or even seen by most people. I once had a 130'+ dive of 1hr 45minutes....but that was a beach dive, so I had no time constraints. Normally on "extra deep" dives while on a boat, I have to time it so that I'm back aboard by the time all the rec. divers have returned....don't want to hold up the boat forever when I'm doing deco.
     
  4. bradshsi

    bradshsi Solo Diver

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    That information is available on the PADI web site at

    http://www.padi.com/english/common/courses/rec/begin/openwater.asp

    To quote PADI directly:

    I guess they left a gap in the age advice (what happens if you are 12 or 13 ?) Presumably the limits would be the same for children these ages as well. Regardless it must be less than 60ft since that is the limit for new OW divers. Thus 72ft is outside that PADI limits.

    As I understand it the reduced Jr OW limits are not just for safety, but also related to concern that childrens bones (which are still growing), are more affected by nitrogen and decompression effects.
     
  5. Azza

    Azza Instructor, Scuba

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    Can you give me the reference in the PADI Instructor Manual that states this?
    I am looking now but all I can find is;

    After certification, a 10 or 11-year-old Junior Open Water Diver must dive with a parent, guardian or PADI Professional. Dives must not exceed 12 metres/40 feet.
    Doesnt say all Junior Open Water Divers, just those who are aged 10 and 11.

    Training standards state

    Do not plan or conduct any training dives for 12-14 year old Junior Divers in excess of 21 metres/70 feet, nor any dives for 10-11 year old divers deeper than 12 metres/40 feet.

    But they are training standards, not Certification standards





     
  6. Shawn95

    Shawn95 Nassau Grouper

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    Here's the quote.

    Junior Open Water Diver
    Certification is open to student divers under the age of 15 through the PADI
    Junior Open Water Diver and Junior Scuba Diver programs. To enroll, individuals
    must be at least 10-years-old prior to the start date of the
    course. (See Special Requirements for 10 and 11-year-olds on next page.)
    Junior divers must meet all requirements for Open Water Diver or
    PADI Scuba Diver certification other than age. Certification depends
    on competency and student ability to understand dive concepts.
    Students must independently complete written PADI Open Water Diver
    Quizzes and Exams — oral exams are not permitted for divers under
    the age of 15 (except when diagnosed with a learning disability – see
    “General Standards and Procedures” for exam policy.) Keep quiz and
    exam answer sheets as part of each Junior diver’s records.
    A 12 to 14-year-old Junior Open Water Diver or Junior Scuba Diver is qualified
    to dive only when accompanied by another certified diver who is of legal
    age. Since Junior PADI Scuba Divers must dive under the direct supervision of a
    PADI Divemaster, Assistant Instructor or Instructor, this meets this standard’s
    intent. Legal age is defined as an individual who is at least 18 years of age,
    except where law defines an older age; in this case, the law becomes the guideline.
    It’s recommended that a legal-aged family member accompany Junior
    students by taking the course with them.
    1-10 One: Course Standards and Overview
    Junior Open Water Divers or Junior
    Scuba Divers may upgrade their
    certification level to PADI Open Water
    Diver or Scuba Diver when they reach
    the age of 15 with no additional
    requirements. (See the Replacement
    Card Procedures and Upgrade Procedures
    in the General Standards and
    Procedures section.) If more than one
    year has passed since the diver earned
    the Junior certification, when requesting
    an upgrade, it is recommended
    that the diver complete a Scuba
    Review program.
    Special Requirements for 10 and 11-year-olds
    • Prior to the start of a Junior Scuba Diver or Junior Open Water
    Diver course, you must have both a parent (legal guardian) and
    the child (aged 10-11) watch the Youth Diving: Responsibility and
    Risks video or thoroughly review the Youth Diving: Responsibility
    and Risks Flipchart. Both parent and child must read and
    sign the Youth Diving: Responsibility and Risks Acknowledgment
    form.
    • During any confined open water or open water training dive
    that includes 10 and 11-year-olds, the maximum instructor-tostudent
    diver ratio is 4:1. No more than two children aged 10-
    11 may be included in the group of four student divers. You
    may not increase this ratio with the use of certified assistants.
    • Certification dives for 10 and 11-year-olds must not exceed 12
    metres/40 feet.
    • After certification, a 10 or 11-year-old Junior Scuba Diver or
    Junior Open Water Diver must dive with a parent, guardian or
    PADI Professional. Dives must not exceed 12 metres/40 feet.
     
  7. Azza

    Azza Instructor, Scuba

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    Yep. So JOW divers aged between 12 and 15 dont have a maximum depth. Just 10 and 11 year olds.
    It's interesting what we take for fact and then when we delve deeper in we find the truth is not what we thought.
     
  8. bradshsi

    bradshsi Solo Diver

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    You might want to rephrase that. As I mentioned earlier, JOW divers would likely be limited (at a maximum) to the PADI OW depth limits which would be 60 ft.
     
  9. Brewone0to

    Brewone0to Solo Diver

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    Actually as it was explained to me ,prior to one 16th birthday one should not exceed 50' because it would compress thier bones (during growth)causing brittle,thinnwalled bones(and in extreme cases, deformations)
    While I'm not an orthopedic doctor I would definitely seek the advise of one or check avail info on DAN website concerning this prior to a repeat performance.
    Dive safe=dive long
     
  10. Wayan

    Wayan Instructor, Scuba

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    You are talking about asceptic bone necrosis. This is more of an issue for commercial divers doing saturation diving than for us sports divers.
     

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