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Multiple deaths diving off NC coast May 10, 2020?

Discussion in 'Accidents and Incidents' started by Steve_C, May 10, 2020.

  1. Marie13

    Marie13 Great Lakes Mermaid ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Have you ever had to get an impression made for something? I did about 10 years ago. Small jaw so they had to use a child-sized tray. Then they fill it with the squishy medium and you sit in the dentist’s chair holding the thing, trying desperately not to gag. I actually threw up. Thing had to be redone. I managed not to throw up on the second time around.

    Yuck.
     
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  2. Dizzi Lizzi

    Dizzi Lizzi ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I just totally spooked myself reading this thread. I very frequently check my air and depth and come up with plenty of air to share. I usually use an al63 when warm water diving. Now that seems super scary when I add the depth. From now on I'll deal with the AL80 on the days where there is a deep dive planned. What a devastating loss to their family and community. :(
     
  3. MaxBottomtime

    MaxBottomtime Divemaster

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    I had a bridge a few years ago. The mold nearly killed me. :)
    I've also had back molars pulled. I had to get nitrous for that.
     
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  4. tridacna

    tridacna ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Yes. Time to leave your keyboard. There is a world of difference between rejecting a mouthpiece in a training situation knowing you have an option on a necklace and a real life OOA. I believe that a diver would suck joyfully on a turd encrusted firehose if they had no air and thought that it may provide a breath.
     
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  5. uncfnp

    uncfnp ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    My primary donate is a Seacure as well. I also considered this issue when I switched configurations but since I almost never have an instabuddy I decided to keep the Seacure. I dive the Seacure for me. Without it I would be in misery during a week+ of diving. For the one in a million chance that I am mugged by a stranger, will I guess my dive knife would work (to cut off the bitewings :wink:)
     
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  6. rjack321

    rjack321 ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Sighs you can't possibly see that not everyone reacts like you <think> you will.
    This poor woman is a great example of a "simple" upside down donation leading to a fatality.
     
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  7. uncfnp

    uncfnp ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    What on earth does that have to do with mouthpieces? And she did not die because of an upside down regulator. She died from a series of mistakes that includes incorrect orientation of a donated regulator.

    And I apologize if this was covered up thread but unless the handoff was fumbled the primary donate procedure would seem to be the least likely to end up with an upside down regulator. The donated primary is handed to the OOA diver in the correct orientation. The receiving diver would have to flip it around to use it incorrectly. (Of course I am speaking in general terms and not specific to this event)
     
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  8. rjack321

    rjack321 ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    its was donated upside down according to the helmet gopro of the husband reviewed by the medical examiner
    which caused her to gag and/or spit it out (breathing wet)
    then she drowned in front of him

    So "things that cause people to gag" like moulded mouthpieces in the wrong mouth are totally relevant here. If you go with primary donate, then as a buddy you have an obligation to not gag your buddy. Test your custom mouthpiece in their mouth if you can or use a standard mouthpiece on your primary reg.
     
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  9. jejton

    jejton Nassau Grouper

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    Another thing to consider is that if the woman sucked in water thinking she was getting air, she may have aspirated (the information from the ME report provided does not indicate whether there was evidence of this, so that may be because they didn't look or because they did and it wasn't there). Aspiration of seawater can quickly cause inflammation and severe hypoxia even if volume aspirated was low. Even if she didnt aspirate below the cords, water hitting her larynx can cause severe laryngospasm leading, again, to hypoxia and death quickly. This could have accelerated the death of the woman even if she had plenty of air left (let alone if she was near or at OOA).
     
  10. stuartv

    stuartv Seeking the Light ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Not gagging your dive buddy is a worthy thought.

    But, let's not lose sight of other important facts. She ran out of air. Then, apparently, she basically did not use any of her husband's air, because she gagged, vomited, etc., as soon as she tried to use her husband's air. Then, her husband ran out of air himself, on the way to the surface (while not even sharing with anyone else). So, she ran out and he was critically low at the same time (as you might expect of a compatible dive buddy - to both get low at about the same time).

    The gagging sounds like a contributing factor that is of much lower importance, overall, than the fact that they were both out or critically low on gas. It is very sad. But, could easily have had the same outcome, even if she'd received the reg in right-side up orientation.

    So, DON'T RUN OUT OF AIR. Then you won't have to worry about gagging on your buddy's mouthpiece.
     

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