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NACD Instructor standards violation

Discussion in 'Cave Diving' started by GDI, Apr 15, 2015.

  1. Wookie

    Wookie Secret Field Agent ScubaBoard Business Sponsor

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    The reason I ask is that the only way to sort this out is to get some person, somewhere, someone, to gather the proxies of the members. Once the proxies are gathered, a meeting of the members can be called to elect a BOD, then fix the status as a non profit (this will take years. I'm going through it now, and it's costing thousands, more than the $7k I hear are in the accounts), then recreate the member lists, but no money may be donated or spent until the application for non-profit status and an emergency declaration is submitted to the IRS.

    It may be easier to start over.
     
  2. Jax

    Jax Deplorable American ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Therein lies the problem. Enough people have tried and been . . . . dissed? threatened by the lawyer? overburdened with secret squirrel requirements? . . . that no one really want to try any more. No one trusts the 'old guard', and all the finger-pointing and flame-throwing have dampened the spirits of just about everyone. However, we just love watching the train wreck.
     
  3. Wookie

    Wookie Secret Field Agent ScubaBoard Business Sponsor

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    Especially one that just keeps giving and giving and giving. Kinda like the 2016 elections.
     
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  4. Jax

    Jax Deplorable American ScubaBoard Supporter

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    So a question for you, @Wookie ;

    At what point IS the organization dissolved? At what point do you just say, go away?

    After my brief foray into the org, I determined several things:

    One, the framework - the ByLaws - suck. There is no strong foundation. Some paragraphs counter other parts, and some are so inflexible as to be stupid. Without a solid, clear, foundation, the whole organization is rickety.

    Two, the culture sucks - the not-invented-here-syndrome. I urged my committee (ByLaws) to go for the low-hanging fruit, the points that needed changing and no one would argue. Example, that the Bod could notify members of announcements and meeting minutes by any appropriate means, including but not limited to email, web posting, etc. (currently, only USPS mail is appropriate). I pulled the various bylaws from organizations on base, because I knew they were vetted by lawyers. They were, I am told, submitted to the BoD. Not a thing was done. Nothing. On such insignificant yet important points.

    So . . . IMO, the members have thrown up their hands in disgust. What now?
     
  5. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Well, no, we actually know when the 2016 elections will be dead and finished. This NACD thing is more like a Zombie.
     
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  6. Wookie

    Wookie Secret Field Agent ScubaBoard Business Sponsor

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    I'm not a lawyer, and nothing I say.....

    First of all, the IRS changed the rules for non-profit corps a couple of years ago in a crackdown to limit people using them. A NP must be a corporation in good standing with the State of Incorporation. Any active NP must have a dissolution plan, and an automatic trigger as to when the dissolution plan is engaged. The IRS says that all present NPs have to go through this process of making this a part of their by-laws. The dissolution plan includes what to do with the money and assets. In the case of the dissolution of NACD, the logical choice would be to give it all to CDS, it has to go to another non-profit. Id guess if no one is filing returns, they probably aren't keeping up with by-laws, either....


     
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  7. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Frank has my vote (I have no idea if I'm still a member or not, and I guess no one else knows either.) for the next President of the NACD. Sorry, Frank, nothing personal.
     
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  8. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board

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    @Wookie

    A vote for Frank is a frank vote!

    Be a Frankophile, not a Frankophobe!

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  9. Wookie

    Wookie Secret Field Agent ScubaBoard Business Sponsor

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    I think you have to be a cave instructor. I'm skeered of caves.
     
  10. Jax

    Jax Deplorable American ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I think that's a stupid standard, anyway. I'd rather have someone who understand how to run things. IMO.
     

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