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Netflix SeaSpiracy - Scuba Instructor Reaction, Review & Commentary

Discussion in 'Diving TV & Movies' started by jagfish, Apr 1, 2021.

  1. DBPacific

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    The similar names were too coincidental and I looked it up. The same guy made them both

    Exactly, and unfortunately the vegans who appear in media and social platforms like this tend to be the type to say "if you aren't vegan in the way I want you to be, nothing you do matters." Every vegan I've actually met understands it's a personal choice and openly condemn the ones who try and force people to veganism.

    Yes, choosing sustainable food options helps, and yes, the broad livestock and commercial fishing industries are harmful and need tons of overhaul. But veganism is not, cannot, and will never be the only option. Beyond the scientific inaccuracies and sensationalism, my greatest concern with this film is how much his commentary belittled and cast off other initiatives as worthless, and the number of people who might watch it and listen.

    It is definitely not a must watch
     
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  2. paddydiver

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    Its another vegan activist production with absolutely no balance and no solutions or answers. There is unheralded scientists and business minded people around the world trying to come up with working solutions to net technology to reduce bycatch, to innovative aquaculture solutions and to the use of technology to asses and protect fish stocks and marine habitats. Are any of these people given a chance to speak in these 'documentaries'. Obviously not, because their solutions involve hard work and too much complexity and thinking on the part of the pampered middle class that are the target audience.
    The other thing that really pisses me off is the constant slamming of aquaculture as a horror show of environmental degradation. All aquaculture in their mind is associated with commercial salmon farms missing the fact that aquaculture involves Mussels. Oysters, Seaweed farming etc. Some of these e.g. Mussel farming are actually hugely beneficial to the marine ecosystem and are carbon positive along with supplying clean healthy protein.
     
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  3. stepfen

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    In theory yes. But remember in theory even (small scale) fishing can be if not beneficial at least neutral for the sustainability of the ecosystem as it has been for milenia.

    In practice though companies look for profit. Commercial means optimized production and quite easily during "optimization" things can go sideways especially in countries where appropriate laws don't exist or are not enforced adequately.

    I've seen UW images from mussel farms here in Greece (pictures were taken illegally because diving near sea farms is illegal here) and believe me the ecosystem around them was far from being healthy. Imagine what happens in less developed countries where eg the millions and millions of frozen shrimps we can buy in supermarkets are farmed.
     
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  4. paddydiver

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    You are absolutely right about the potential for profit driven commercial enterprises doing huge damage. But they can't all be lumped together and summed up by saying 'Don't eat fish' and 'Aquaculture is bad'. Shrimp farms have been a disaster for mangrove ecosystems and in the past Salmon farms have also been hugely polluting but compared to farming on the land it is very new and lessons are being learned from the mistakes of the past.

    Regarding the mussel farms, I'm genuinely interested to know how the surrounding ecosystem was damaged from the footage you saw? I'm asking from some experience as I work on mussel and oyster farms and also dive around them for work and the surrounding habitat is thriving.
     
  5. Bubblesong

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    Veganism leads to massive kidney stones. Seafood farms need improvements, but really are the future.
    Maybe the next film will be Car-spiracy-“ End the Roadkills by eliminating cars and trucks and use only bikes pulling wagons! “
     
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  6. stepfen

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    I searched for the pictures but couldn't find them. It was a facebook post few weeks ago but can't remember in which group I saw it. Basically the bottom and the nearby shores were full of garbage from items used in the farm: pipes, barrels, ropes, some kind of nets used for the mussels to grow on them etc.

    Also the bottom looked like a muck "desert". For this, to be honest, I am not 100% sure that the bottom became like this because of the farm or the bottom was like this before and they've chosen this place because mussels need such environment.

    To be clear, I do eat fish and seafood but I prefer farmed ones as I think they are the least harmful choice for the environment. I have seen several ecosystems eg here in Greece, Red Sea and Indonesia (outside protected areas) that once were full of marine life and now are almost empty due to over fishing.

    BTW last time I bought "wild" fish was few years ago. I think it was cod and once I arrived home to cook it I discovered that its' belly was full of eggs!!! Since then I decided I won't buy "wild" fish any more.
     

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