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New to Vintage

Discussion in 'Vintage Equipment Diving' started by BigRed96, Aug 12, 2020.

  1. herman

    herman Divemaster

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    Not a problem. Don't hesitate to ask questions, the vintage community is fairly tight and more than happy to help new members.
     
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  2. AfterDark

    AfterDark Solo Diver

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    That looks better than mine when I bought it. I like mine even if it's not much to look at; works great I can't see it while I'm diving and wasn't that much to buy and rebuild. It has a new 1st and 2nd
    stage from VDH as well as a redesigned duckbill replacement and a new silicone diaphragm.
    edit:
    @GJC reminded me 2 new wagon wheel valves also, the housings were good but the valves were junk. The hoses and mouthpiece looked too good not to re-use and after a run thru the dishwasher looks even better.
    Hookah fitting f.JPG
    Good luck with whatever you choose. @herman and @Scuba Lawyer are the real deal they and others on this board helped me a lot during my1st rebuild attempts which all came out good. They mean it when they say they'll help!
     
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  3. rhwestfall

    rhwestfall Woof! ScubaBoard Sponsor

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    Careful... I started with a Kraken (Series 1), and now have 7 various "vintage" DH units with various upgrades. :surrender:
     
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  4. GJC

    GJC Solo Diver

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    Congratulations on your purchase!

    Don't discard the hoses until you carefully inspect them. The DAAM I bought had hoses in remarkably good condition. They had no cracks, were flexible and I pulled pretty hard on them without them breaking or cracking so I continue to use the originals. Do clean the insides thoroughly before use. Inspect all the other rubber parts carefully and replace as needed (diaphragm, mouthpiece, wagon wheels). The duckbill will almost certainly have deteriorated and need replacement.

    I did put a cyclone first stage in mine right away because I wanted to have a balanced first stage in it. My other additions were a long yoke and banjo fitting for SPG and a hookah adapter for BCD inflator.
     
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  5. AfterDark

    AfterDark Solo Diver

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    When it comes to diving gear and vintage gear IN particular vintage double hose parts are easier to come by then self-control! :)
     
  6. Sam Miller III

    Sam Miller III Scuba Legend Scuba Legend

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    1) @BigRed96
    Welcome to the strange exotic world of the vintage divers and vintage dive equipment

    2) All advice that has been presented is very valid.. It is a blue print to follow in your quest for a regulator and beginning vintage diving.-- especially @Scuba Lawyer who has many many years of experience and is very knowledgeable.

    3) It is noted that you are 40 years old-- born in 1980-- the last US Divers 2 hose regulator was marketed in 1972

    4) So far all apparently have a romance with Vintage Double Hose (VDH) which is a cottage industry out of an apartment room in Florida. It is a good source for pats and its web site is packed with informnation
    .
    5) You might want to examine the 2 hose regulators prepared by Jerry Struble in your home state of Ohio. Jerry, whom Ii have known for 30 years is a forward looking very competent long term diver / engineer who is offering a double hose regulator as well as his design of a modern Hope Page ( Rory Page would never dream that his design is still valid )

    6) The VDH prince "Ron", the poster child as a modern late modern tube sucking bubble blower was demanding a special double hose training class for all new to vintage diving .Taught of course by grossly inexperienced Ron at a cost of $500.00 . Some how ,some way, it was eliminated in favor of a hold harmless document . It is on ly a matter of time before the document it put to a test by a distraught widow or parents--

    \In lieu of "professional training it is strongly urges that you begin your double hose diving very cautiously and in shallow water or preferably in a pool practice ALL double hose dive emergency scenarios prior to entering open water diving
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    FYI
    A case I was involved as an "Expert diving witness" which demonstrated knowing your equipment and checking your equipment prior to diving

    Mark VII SCUBA Pro

    1974 Catalog Page17
    Last catalog which Mark IV appeared
    ( 46 years ago ! (Time flies )

    SCUBA Pro Mk VI -- Automatic Self Locking Yoke
    Life time one owner guarantee of all parts
    $118.25
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    Page 23
    Pneumatic Pressure Gauge
    Pt # 133 Tank Pressure gauge.....$20,00
    Pt # 133-2 filler attachment …. ,,,.$18.00
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    For a period of over 15 years I was a credentialed well known Professional Diving Consultant aka expert diving witness
    on retainer to "Impact General" on all legal maters related to diving equipment and accidents and often testified in a court of law. as required.

    One interesting Impact General case involved in was:

    Fienberg vs SCUBA Pro, US Divers, Aquatic Center etal (1982= 38 years ago}

    All involved defendants were personal friends
    I called Dick Bonin at SCUBA Pro-== He understood & had ample insurance coverage
    I met with John Cronin US Divers== Not happy but do what you are contracted to do
    Met with my best friend at the Aquatic Center (AC) Ron Merker who was very up set as only Ron could be
    (Ron was Dr. Bills basic instructor but " He didn't learn anything from Ron" )

    The tragedy involved Dr, Fienberg a social friend of Cronin.
    Cronin had sold Fienberg a PFV "out the back door" from US Divers
    A Mark VI purchased used but purported to have been overhaled from the AC

    The victim went diving at the then new Catalina dive park with his daughter -- all was well until the end of the dive.

    The scenario as I presented was was like this:
    He began his assent - became entangled in kelp-- struggled
    He yanked on his PFV CO2 inflator -- didn't fire -didn't inflate
    His Mark VI disengaged from the tank
    He lost his life in a few feet of water entangled in kelp'

    His body was recovered by life guards

    The equipment was lab & field tested by the late Dr Glen Egstrom of UCLA--
    (Also personal friends of Bonin, Cronin & Merker)

    Dr Egstrom testing disclosed
    1) The CO2 had been factory installed with the mechanism in the fired position
    2) The SCUBA PRO SPG reading was inaccurate by 200 + PSI
    3) The Mark VI disengaged with excessive breathing demands and low pressure
    3) The Mark VI had not been overhauled - and was in need of over haul

    The court ruled in favor of the plaintiff heirs in the amount of $250,000.00
    Not what I and others expected with the loss of a Doctors life due to faulty equipment.
    (Scuba Lawyer - There is also "the rest of the story.." We can discuss over a cool one in the dark of night )
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    The moot points
    Practice and re practice double hose diving techniques in confined water
    Check and double check vintage equipment-- replace if worn
    Remember the newest equipment is at a minimum eight years older than you
    You are reported 40 years old the newest double hose is 48 years old
    Dive safe -- Have fun !
    '
    SDM 111 .
     
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  7. AfterDark

    AfterDark Solo Diver

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    I liked the idea of the MK VI but never trusted it. The gage with the same pneumatic yoke however would be ok and fun to own and use on my 72's. OOPs my wife is watching me type this and shaking her head!! :)
     
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  8. Sam Miller III

    Sam Miller III Scuba Legend Scuba Legend

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    @AfterDark
    This litigation was the end of the pneumatic yoke attaching Mark VI
    What inventory remained was marketed as fill station attachment
    Which was a darn good easy to use attaching yoke

    I also wish I had saved one just to ply around with it

    SDM
     
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  9. rhwestfall

    rhwestfall Woof! ScubaBoard Sponsor

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    yeah, I remember them being around (other companies) not too long ago for fill whips, but they don't seem to be anymore...
     
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  10. Sam Miller III

    Sam Miller III Scuba Legend Scuba Legend

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    @rhwestfall

    The litigation was the end of the SCUBA Pro pneumatic regulator yoke
    The pneumatic yoke inventory was slowly depleted and no new yokes were produced
    Real collectors items
    Some day they will be displayed in a museum of diving
    SDM
     
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