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Next NASA Chief Nominee Doesn’t Believe in Climate Change

Discussion in 'Sea Save Foundation' started by Sea Save Foundation, Sep 12, 2017.

  1. Murky Waters

    Murky Waters Manta Ray

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    No. That is not how a Libertarian would generally see it, from my point of view. It would be more like "build it unless it hurts someone else." But of course that opens up a whole box of worms about determining what people deem hurtful. Libertarianism is not anarchy; it exists within the rule of law. It tends to attract people who are thoughtful, measured, of independant mind, and who don't require a moral authority to know right from wrong. You could easily inform yourself about it if you so desire. From a humanistic point of view, regardless of any shortcomings, I still see it as superior to any other social ideology, except maybe Buddhism. But it is certainly not for everyone.
     
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  2. Storker

    Storker Divemaster

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    Hyperbole, much?

    If you're so opposed to taxes, you can always go full John Galt on society. But be prepared to manage without public infrastructure (roads, railways, subways, electricity, water, sewage, etc.), schools, hospitals, medical research, police, an army and all that other stuff which is financed by the money that you and others are "forced at gunpoint" to pay for. For some reason it seems as if libertarians are just fine with using public infrastructure as long as they don't have to pay for it...
     
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  3. admikar

    admikar ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Problem with this statement is that people are asked to pay for infrastructure that might help with climate change. Problem is, no one knows if any measures we implement would change current climate changes. You can talk (in general, not personal you) as much as you want, fact is you don't know it will help.
    Edited to add:I pay taxes,and to be honest, not really impressed, with government efficiency on applying those taxes. It is lesser of two evils.
     
  4. Storker

    Storker Divemaster

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    Problem is, you still don't seem to have understood the difference between a fiscally motivated tax and a Pigovian tax. Try going back to post #172 and read forward from that.
     
  5. Skeptic14

    Skeptic14 Manta Ray

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    I don't think it's any more hyperbole than fearing big bad corporations, that are basically powerless to compel someone in any fashion. Well, outside of really good advertising and marketing campaigns.

    And like Murky Waters pointed out, libertarianism isn't anarchy... there's a whole spectrum of how big a government should be and how much taxation.

    Who is John Galt?



















    do I win the internet? :)
     
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  6. Storker

    Storker Divemaster

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    It looks as if you might be running out of straw pretty soon.
     
  7. tridacna

    tridacna ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    A troll has no straw to start with. Just intentions of riling up folks and gloating at the results.
     
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  8. admikar

    admikar ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I understood it. Someone will have to make initial payment, aka tax payers for new technology and infrastructure.
    You are firm believer that that new technology/infrastructure will deliver results, problem is, you do not know that. What happens if that new stuff does not deliver? Who is going to guarantee ROI? Who's going to pay their taxes?
     
  9. EdC

    EdC Photographer

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    :wink: I see what you did there, had me for a second.
     
  10. RyanT

    RyanT Solo Diver

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    Except for lobbying that allows corporations to hide damaging information about their product, deliberate omissions of data, and price fixing allowing the company to sell above what the free market dictates (e.g. big Pharma these days).
     

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