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Nitrox Rule of Thumb 32 vs 40

Discussion in 'SSI: Scuba Schools International' started by apivonka, Jul 29, 2018.

  1. boulderjohn

    boulderjohn Technical Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    PADI suggests divers increase their depths cautiously, depending upon training and experience. The "and" in that phrase really means "and/or." For divers who get the AOW certification, the suggested limit is AOW, but the actual full suggested recreational limit is 130 with additional training and experience.
     
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  2. tomfcrist

    tomfcrist NAUI Instructor

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    The answer to that is a few agencies, although for notably different reasons.

    NAUI due to narcosis but implies that it’s acceptable to go to 130 as a contingency. Helitrox is their solution.

    PADI was the same back when I did AOW IIRC...minus the helitrox.

    GUE takes it a step further and says helium anytime past 100’. My guess as to their reasoning is that nitrox isn’t really reducing narcotic properties of the breathing media (oxygen is narcotic), and the WOB goes up to what they consider an unacceptable level beyond 100’ without helium.

    There are more I’m sure...look around.
     
  3. giffenk

    giffenk Great White

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    When did PADI go 100? When we got OW way back we were good for 130.
     
  4. tomfcrist

    tomfcrist NAUI Instructor

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    IDK...I did my AOW quite a while ago. It was never talked about in class, but was part of the textbook.

    FWIW, there is a difference between recommended and maximum. The 130 number is still there.
     
  5. boulderjohn

    boulderjohn Technical Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    As I said in post #21, for PADI the recreational limit has always been 130. They suggest that you get there incrementally as you gain training and experience. For the AOW class, the limit for the deep die is 100', but that is for that class.
     
  6. IncreaseMyT

    IncreaseMyT Banned

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    36 ean should be MOD 90 feet. 1.4 is where we max our ppo2 in my area.

    If 1.6 is OK that’s great, but unless we’re talking about repetitive dives I am not sure there is a benefit to going to 1.6 in rec diving
     
  7. uncfnp

    uncfnp Solo Diver

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    Hopefully the OP has his answer, that it is based on the MOD for each gas. And I for one have never seen a recreational diver dive 40%. Heck dive shops that don’t know me give me an odd look if I ask for anything past 36.

    Only marginally related to the original question but I took nitrox fron TDI and 1.4 was not taught as the gold standard. It wasn’t until I found Scubaboard that I learned I was going to die if my ppo2 hit 1.6.

    I never really understood the physiology behind this and apparently its validity has been questioned lately.
     
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  8. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board

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    Oxygen is just as narcotic as nitrogen and probably more so, which is the mechanism of OxTox.
     
  9. CuzzA

    CuzzA Solo Diver

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    1.4 on 36 is 95 feet.

    To your second part, it depends on your profile. Say for example you're diving the Florida Middle Grounds using 32%. These ledges can be 30 feet tall. So you drop down off a 100 ft. ledge to 130ft./1.6ppo2 to grab a fish, lobster or take a pic and then swim back up on the ledge. Even repetitive dives, for 99% of divers, you haven't had enough exposure to cause concern.
     
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  10. uncfnp

    uncfnp Solo Diver

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    Hopefully Dr Mitchell will forgive me for reposting ...

     

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