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No solo diving in overhead environment

Discussion in 'Solo Divers' started by Foxfish, Jan 26, 2014.

  1. Storker

    Storker Divemaster

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    I would be very, very interested and equally grateful if you would make that presentation generally available when it's finished (or given, or when you deem appropriate).

    Just a request :)


    EDIT: Just found out that this was a long thread and a zombie resurrected from the grave. I'll have another look when I'm on my PC to check if any of the PDF links point to that info. If so, just disregard my post :)
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  2. Jim Lapenta

    Jim Lapenta Dive Shop

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  3. Storker

    Storker Divemaster

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    Ok. Would there be any point in sharing the PP, or is too much of the info in your head?

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  4. boulderjohn

    boulderjohn Technical Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I teach a PADI-sanctioned course named Understanding Overhead Environments that teaches the nature of different levels of overhead environments, showing the increasing level of risk as you progress from a simple arch to a cave or a deep, unprepared wreck. It teaches the kind of training, experience, and equipment needed as you progress through the different levels of challenge and why they are needed.

    No, I can't send you the materials. It is a course you would need to take from a qualified instructor.
     
  5. Omisson

    Omisson Public Safety Diver

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    It baffles you because you lack an understanding of the requirements to be a full cave diver.... or don't appreciate the number of idiot recreational divers who try and sneak in a cavern/cave dive without the training- exposing themselves to life endangering diving... and often ending up as a statistic.

    Full cave is a technical certification, with redundancy requirements for all equipment (lights, regs, tanks, cutting tools). It comes only after rigorous training and several levels of training before full cave (cavern, intro, apprentice). It uses very specialized equipment and methodology.

    Your "average" full cave diver is probably better trained than your "average" open water scuba instructor- and light years ahead of most recreational divers. Every cave dive (and every technical dive for that matter) is really a "solo" dive... but sometimes you are diving solo ... together. In other words you are always self sufficiently diving even when you are diving with a buddy.
     
  6. Storker

    Storker Divemaster

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    Besides, you teach for a living, right? Giving away course material for free wouldn't exactly add to your salary...


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  7. Redshift

    Redshift DIR Practitioner

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    And prepared wrecks as well, I hope?
     
  8. BCSGratefulDiver

    BCSGratefulDiver Mental toss flycoon ScubaBoard Supporter

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    ... as a recreational scuba instructor and a full cave diver, I will say that you can eliminate the word "probably" ... although I would also contend that you can't really compare the two, so "better" is a relative term.

    The training, skills, equipment and mindset between cave diving and recreational dive instruction are so different that they really defy comparison. A good example of what you're talking about, though, would be the incident a year or so back where Edd Sorensen had to go rescue some scuba instructor's daughter after her dad foolishly led her and her brother into a cave ... relying on his scuba instructing skills, which proved inadequate rather quickly. Thankfully ... and primarily due to a number of lucky circumstances ... Edd found her and brought her out of the cave alive. The odds of that happening are not high. Had she gone in there alone, she would certainly have died ... and unnoticed until some unlucky cave diver happened upon her body.

    On the other hand, a properly trained cave diver would know how to prepare for such a dive, how to approach the dive in such a way that they could find their way out, how to plan and manage their breathing gas such that they would emerge with a sufficient reserve, how much reserves to plan for in case of an emergency, and have developed sufficient skills and techniques to avoid such emergencies in the first place. Someone without the training wouldn't really understand the risks well enough to do much more than wing it and hope for the best.

    ... Bob (Grateful Diver)
     
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  9. BDSC

    BDSC Solo Diver

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    Have you actually read this thread?
     
  10. Basking Ridge Diver

    Basking Ridge Diver Solo Diver

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    I will let Doc speak for himself - but if you go back and read Foxfish's posts again

    I think Grateful Diver said it best...
    God, I just love it when someone who has "educated" themselves on the internet insists on correcting people who have actually taken the class and done the dives ...
    ... Bob (Grateful Diver)
     
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