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Off-topic Discussion moved from Diver Missing in the Bahamas thread

Discussion in 'Shark Forum!' started by TampaScuba, Jul 21, 2014.

  1. Johnoly

    Johnoly Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Might want to disallow that crushing plastic water bottle trick we use too. But like you said, they'll come in once for it and then bored and leave right away. P.S. Viz was dark yesterday, heavy sun blocking snot layer.
  2. Doug Kahle

    Doug Kahle Angel Fish

    # of Dives:
    Location: West Palm Beach
    John, you know the plastic bottle doesn't get it done; it may get them looking at you from a distance, but they won't come in; we've played that game. Also, we've shot spear guns in the sand; it gets the sharks circling, but only for a few seconds and they won't come close enough. They quickly realize that there is no dead fish and that they have been tricked; so, they leave as quickly as they appeared. Thankfully, they don't hold grudges and are not pissed-off for being tricked.
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  3. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board

    # of Dives: I just don't log dives
    Location: Cave Country!
    Doug, with all respect, simply lose the bubbles. Fish don't act like fish when I'm on a rebreather and I'd bet that sharks wouldn't either. Bubbles are our best shark deterrent. Damn them!
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  4. Doug Kahle

    Doug Kahle Angel Fish

    # of Dives:
    Location: West Palm Beach
    How many experienced divers have died on a rebreather? I'm not sure, but a lot more than have died feeding sharks. Those things scare me.

    Also, snorkeling with certain sharks is better; but, not much better. With snorkeling, there are no bubbles to worry about; but, I don't think sharks like things diving down and/or looking at them from above; so, not sure we've solved any problem by snorkeling with them, we've just realized that they fear something else that we do.
  5. reefman

    reefman Regular of the Pub

    # of Dives: I just don't log dives
    Location: key largo, fl

    Pete, you left out HAWAII,,,,,,,

    Haw. Rev. Stat. ยง 188-40.6 : Hawaii Statutes - Section 188-40.6: Shark feeding; prohibitions; exceptions; penalties.

    key largo
  6. drbill

    drbill The Lorax for the Kelp Forest Scuba Legend

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: Santa Catalina Island, CA
    Hmmm... Pete, I've never dived with a buddy named Bubbles. Maybe I'll have to try that. Tee hee!
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  7. packrat12

    packrat12 Rebreather Pilot

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Merritt Island

    I am neutral on shark feeding as done by Randy J. I prefer the Tiger Beach way as I do not like the idea of spearing fish for my fun (a little odd considering the chumsicle fish are in the same boat so to speak). Anyway, about 22 years ago, I took my wife on a shark dive at Walker Cay for our honeymoon (* Most said I tried to off her then but that's another story). It was a relatively new shark dive as that was around when they were starting to get serious. We were the end of the season so we were the only 2 divers + the dive master in the water.

    Even before we had anchored, black tip reef sharks were bumping the boat and cutting the water. In the water, we had sharks of all types, over 100 or so, from Nurse, Lemon, Black Tip and Bull. Often the black tip cut between us and us and the dive master. Had no problem approaching any of them within probably 5 feet, except the bulls which stayed in the distance. We free swam for about 40 minutes in this and yes I have the video of it.

    Now for the rest of it, because we were the only 2 diving, we did not bait nor feed them in any way. The sharks were fully aware that this was a common feeding area and when the boat showed up, they came looking for food. We even laughed about it before we got in the water that the sharks were going to be pissed that they were not going to be fed.

    When my wife lived in the FL Keys, her stepfather would bring the by catch tropical fish into the canal. They would feed them dog food. Every morning, the fish would follow them looking for the food. The fish even could recognize which person was the one going to feed them, they got to know my wife. On beach dive that we did years ago off Commercial, we were followed by a trigger fish, not native to FL, the entire dive. If we went too far away, it would find us and rush over. Again, this fish knew we were people and people had fed it when it was in an aquarium. We played with it the entire dive. Fish/sharks can indeed learn to associate food with people.

    Overall, I like the idea of being able to dive with the sharks in shark dives and do not want it banned. But I find it irresponsible when I hear people, including dive masters, say things including "we do not alter their behavior", "I can read a shark and know what it is going to do"... etc. Many of these have been said on this board. What I prefer is an awareness that yes, the bait is attracting the sharks and they, like any other animal, are aware that we are doing this commonly at this location and can learn to associate it with us. Also that as any other animal, we cannot predict what they will do. Shark diving 100% safe, no. Shark diving risk acceptable... depends on who the diver is, although they should fully under stand the risk. I have thought about taking my daughter, but due to her size, she would be shark bait. :)

    Lastly, I believe the shark dive on Walker's Cay was being operated by the Watson family at the time....
  8. wspalding

    wspalding Barracuda

    # of Dives: 100 - 199
    Location: Grafton, MA
    Is that $1000 offer good to anyone? I'd like in on that given we have video of a reef shark approaching within 5 ft last week in Jupiter. I will say it was not a threatening approach, just a curious shark.

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  9. Capt Scotty

    Capt Scotty Dive Charter

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: the "Keys"
    We are two for two here in Key Largo. In the past two days two people have died on a scuba or snorkeling trip. Neither one even made the local TV news much less nationally. I bet it would have if someone had said that sharks where in the water when it happened.
  10. Scott from LongIsland

    Scott from LongIsland Barracuda

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: NYC
    Well, as noted above...you need dead or wounded fish to attract them...they will not approach without that (please disregard what you witnessed on your trip, that doesn't count). but their behavior is not altered by doing this...huh? pretzel logic there...
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2014

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