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Rescue or ???

Discussion in 'Advanced Scuba Discussions' started by MissBehavin, Oct 10, 2019.

  1. dumpsterpurrs

    dumpsterpurrs Divemaster Candidate

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    Perhaps only in Texas? Actually it was USAmericans who first taught me about kindness and helping others as a community/society. I've never been to Texas though, it's probably very different there. People say Texas is its own country...
     
  2. KWS

    KWS ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I think if you reread my post I said law suits is a US thing that is often abused. The cost of proving that will often ruin one for life. That becasue if that makes people shy to extened help for fear of liability. That that fear is not isolated to one single aspect of rendering assistance gets extended to all rendering efforts. As to the other you have engaged in word twisting for your own use.
     
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  3. KWS

    KWS ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    This is not a texas thing it is fact of nature of sorts. every jurisdictioin has its own views on matters. Much like recording a conversation. one state says only one has to be informed others say both parties have to be informed. screw it up and you ar ethe bad guy.... If you are not prepared and know exactly where you stand in the jurisdiction you are in,,, you can find yourself in a world of hurt and not know it just because you made a good intended assistance. There is always the issue of making your best untrained effort vs an effort after you have been trained. The issue of proficiency never seams to enter into the equation. until a lawyer gets involved. the decision is often one of self protection and your value to others like a family. If you dont stick your neck out you dont engage in a behavior that could threaten those that legally depend on you. The decisions are often survival decisions that are made in a moments time frame. Bottom line it is often viewed as them or you.
     
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  4. M-Cameron

    M-Cameron Nassau Grouper

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    Honestly ide much rather risk getting sued, than live with myself knowing I let someone die when I could have prevented it.

    op asked about a stress and rescue course...... well just because you take the course doesn’t mean you have to patrol the oceans looking for people to save like bay watch...what if you go diving with your wife, child, best friend? Wouldn’t you prefer to know the proper skills to save THEM?...., or would y’all let them drown too so they can’t sue you?

    this whole “might get sued” is a boogie man argument so you can shirk your responsibilities as a good diver and a good human being
     
  5. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I think I'm learning a new criterion to ask a potential instabuddy.....
     
  6. markmud

    markmud Self Reliant Diver--On All Dives. ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Who is advocating that? Who thinks that you should "let someone die".

    You don't need a cert card from a marketing firm (name your certification agency) to save someone's life. You don't need a "Master Scuba Rescue Diver Credential" to save someone's life.

    Just do it!

    You don't need a cert card to scuba dive. I have never been asked for a cert card to get a fill, let alone go scuba diving. Unless I am diving from someone's boat or property.

    Yours is a straw dog argument.

    markm
     
  7. M-Cameron

    M-Cameron Nassau Grouper

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    so what exactly is the whole point you are trying to make then?

    that you SHOULDNT get a cert?
    that you DONT NEED a cert?
    that having a cert will get you sued?
    that you shouldnt save people for risk of getting sued (cert or not)?

    honestly youve been rambling a lot without making a coherent thought

    i really fail to see how anyone can argue that more knowledge and training is a bad thing....if you personally dont feel its worth it to you to take the course, dont take it.....but why would you actively dissuade someone else from taking it?.....who cares what they pay and who they pay it to?

    more knowledgeable and trained divers should be the goal regardless of how they get there
     
  8. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Amazing. I've been all over the world and have ALWAYS been asked for a cert card. But, then, I dive from liveaboards, resorts, and public beaches, and always need to rent a tank if on travel. Even at home, there is no way to dive without showing a card and signing something. I suppose if I never went anywhere and filled my own tanks and always dived from an open shore, I might luck out....but I'd miss a lot of spectacular diving that way.
     
  9. Esprise Me

    Esprise Me Kelp forest dweller ScubaBoard Supporter

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    That surprises me too, about not having to show a c-card, but it got me thinking. I haven't had to show my c-card to get a fill at my LDS, but by the time I bought my tank they all knew me and knew I was certified because I'd been renting gear from them and filling out the forms with my cert number for six months. But I've gotten my tank filled at two other dive shops on two occasions and I'm not sure I had to show my c-card then, either. Maybe some shops figure if you have a tank, whoever sold it to you must have checked your credentials. But if you buy your gear used, I doubt the Craigslist rando selling off the stuff he bought when he thought diving was going to be his thing and then it turned out it wasn't is going to turn down your money if you don't bring your c-card when you come over to make the deal. Nor do you have to show proof on the internet. Nobody's checking c-cards at the beach, either. And if all the dive shops in town 86 you, it seems you can just buy a compressor and fill your own tanks.

    So that brings up an interesting line of thought. If getting Rescue certified exposes you to too much liability, why get even OW certified? Just buy the gear, teach yourself from books, and go shore diving. If your buddy dies, your utter lack of dive qualifications should render you immune to any charges that you should have been able to rescue him. Hell, maybe you can sue his estate for emotional damages.

    Or you could reread the part where no one in this thread has been able to come up with a single example of a diver ever being held liable on account of his Rescue cert, and realize the remote chance of suffering the inconvenience of a lawsuit is nowhere near the risk to life and limb you've already signed up for by diving, and do everything you can to mitigate THAT risk.
     
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  10. OceanEyes

    OceanEyes PADI Pro

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    I have never been asked for a cert card to get a fill, let alone go scuba diving. Unless I am diving from someone's boat or property.

    markm[/QUOTE]

    I can only presume that you don't get out and about much.
     

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