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Sotis vs. IANTD

Discussion in 'Scuba Related Court Cases' started by Wookie, Aug 8, 2017.

  1. cerich

    cerich ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 5,000 - ∞
    Location: Georgia
    no worries, I won't even think about Trudive..
  2. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board

    # of Dives: I just don't log dives
    Location: Cave Country!
    I was trained by Sotis and have lived to tell. I wrote a pretty favorable review here on SB as well. There was an incident I was asked to not cover, so I didn't. It was a caustic cocktail. I was mostly OK with my training until I did a crossover to my SF2. I noted in my review that Tom McCarthy was far more thorough. I knew there were holes in my training, and I took it upon myself to fill them.

    Sure, everyone is different. Everyone is the same. Trying to go back and wipe out everyone's training record is a silly knee jerk reaction to what's happening here. I'm definitely not going to get on the anti-Sotis band wagon as I see no benefit to me or to the sport. In any event, I alone am responsible for me. No one is forcing me to put on a rebreather or even OC. It's my responsibility to understand what I'm diving or to seek additional training. No one forced Stewart to go back down on his ill fated dive. That doesn't mean I don't see a problem with Sotis' fast and loose handling of standards. That's between IANTD and him and I'm happy to let them sort that out between him.

    As it sits: it appears that karma just ran over his dogma. He started Add Helium because someone tried to create a monopoly on scrubber. He turned around and tried to create a monopoly on training with a few manufacturers. He became the very thing he did not like.
    kensuf, markmud, PT4476 and 3 others like this.
  3. cathal

    cathal Nassau Grouper

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Ireland
    Very well put. It begs the question how many rebreather certs were issued overall by this instructor, and are these divers aware of their precarious knowledge base? As he was a factory instructor for rEvo what is rEvo doing about this??
  4. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Seattle
    I don't believe that is the intent, but give that Dunning-Kruger can be especially brutal in technical diving, the suggestion for remedial training to address possible shortcomings in the training received by Sotis is not unjustified if he has a bodycount that is above industry norms for instructors.

    While I'm not yet a rebreather diver, I am aware of several shortcomings in my own technical training, so I have backed off on tech dives until I can address those through practice and workshop/non-certification training.
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  5. RyanT

    RyanT Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Maryland
    Perspective is always an interesting thing. I didn't read anything on this thread suggesting that someone's training record be wiped out. Instead, what I got is that there may be folks out there with inadequate training.

    I agree with the sentiment that at the level of CCR diving, everyone should take responsibility for their own safety and training. But...when stepping up to CCR, it seems like it would be easy to get into a "you don't know what you don't know" situation. I'm not a CCR diver, so please feel free to correct me here, but I can easily imagine that if you engage in training with an instructor who leaves holes in your knowledge, you might not know what those holes are.
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  6. Bob DBF

    Bob DBF Solo Diver

    # of Dives: I just don't log dives
    Location: NorCal
    This effect is seen in any training, not just isolated to CCR, or SCUBA in general. While working as a technician, I was trained to service equipment and saw a wide range of quality in the training with holes in knowledge from poor materials, insufficient time, poor training skills, as well as an instructor not understanding the principles he was teaching. As an experienced tech I had an idea of what I needed to learn, and could ask pointed questions that could fill in holes for me, and point them out to new techs, as the classes were for the gear, not based on the experience level.

    With any class of novices, they are at the mercy of the instructor, especially if the training materials are not complete or understandable.

    As far as "you don't know what you don't know", that is just a condition of life. The best anyone can do is try to minimize the number of things you don't know that are likely to kill you.

  7. abnfrog

    abnfrog Tech Instructor

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: great white north
    the whole situation makes me very sad about our industry I loved for over 40 years , makes me wonder about the future here .....it sure was better teaching 25 years ago , wondering why .................
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