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TropiGal

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We are going to St. Maarten in March 2003. Specifically, the Pelican Resort to join friends. Anybody have any current info on area, resort, dive operators, "to do musts", etc. Also interested in Saba info - that's a possible "to do" for us as well.

Any current information will really help us. Thanks in advance!!
 
Hi, TropiGal!

There is an old Italian term: "See Naples and die." It is meant to mean that once you have seen Naples, you can go to your Maker in peace because you have seen the loviest place on the planet. I had thought to entitle this post, "See Saba and die", but thought it might be misconstrued!

At any rate, it has been a couple of years since I was on St. Maarten and the latest info that I have received was that it had not improved much--for either scuba divers or body watchers!

Now, let's talk about Saba. I am one of those who think it is the gem of the Netherlands Antillies. You can get there by a rather bumpy ferry ride or by flying and landing on one of the shortest commericial runways around. Either way will be memorable.

There are two dive outfits on Saba with which I am familiar: Saba Deep and Sea Saba. Both are just great. Saba Deep has its "office" right at the Dock and the DM, "Big Mike", is legendary--he is described by some as, "a character". At any rate, both shops will serve you well.

Saba Deep has a slightly different routine than Sea Saba for the SI. They come back to the dock--most dive sites are only 15-20 min. from the harbor. Sea Saba stays out at sea. The one advantage of coming back to the dock is you can have a virgin pina colada during your break at "In Two Deep", the restaurant near the dock. You can contact both shops by finding their web sites--I am too lazy this AM to copy the URL's--and arranging for dives. They are used to waiting for customers coming over on the ferry (or by plane) for the day--just tell them what your plans are. In the case of a day trip, the ferry is really most convenient because you dock very near where the dive boats dock.

The diving is absolutely wonderful--some of the best in the Carib. One of the reasons for this is that Saba is not overly visited and, so, the sites remain pristine.

If you had not already committed to St. Maarten, I would have suggested Saba, instead. However, if you are a beach denizen, you made the right choice: Saba has virtually none.

So, enjoy the sun on St. Maarten and do, by all means, take at least one day trip over to Saba for the diving.

Scorpionfish
 
Since he's covered the topic well, I'll only say that I never go to St. Maarten without at least a couple days on Saba. I use Saba Deep with Big Mike.

I've timeshared at the Pelican several times, and we own at La Vista right across the street. As you come down the airport road, just before you turn up the hill to the Pelican, there is the best dive op on the island. Can't remember the name right now and got to go, but it's run by Dominique and Leroy.

Off to church ...I'm late!
 
My trip report from last spring:

"It is with great glee that I can report the development on Saba since my last has been modest & tasteful. Quite unlike the serene St. Martin of 20 years ago that is now unrecognizably crowded & tacky, replete with drug activity, brazen daylight crime, traffic jams & fetid cesspools.

The friendly citizens of Saba continue to go about their leisurely island business, including tending small but eye-catching flower gardens (often around the graves of relatives buried in the yard), and producing delicate lace & secret blends of “Saba Spice,” a sweet, sapid & strong rum-based concoction. The place is quite in contrast to such trashed venues as the Bahamian out islands, being extraordinarily neat & tidy. Crime worries here are about a low as they get anywhere. The two cell jail, which does include a sun deck for pallid prisoners, is mostly used for such serious matters as holding a goat involved in an ownership dispute. However, the occasional islander foolish enough to attempt to liquidate a serendipitously found “brown grouper” may enjoy a brief stay until the authorities arrive from St. Maarten.

Sporting one of the niftiest passport stamp around anymore, Saba is located in the northeastern Caribbean, about 28 miles south of St. Maarten. Together with St. Eustasius & St. Kitts, it forms the Windward Islands of the Dutch Caribbean. Only 5 square miles, it rises to 2,900' at the top of Mt. Scenery. Its Four Main Villages are linked by the road engineers said couldn't be built. A protected marine reserve since 1987, the enforced & self-supporting park is situated around the entire island and extending to the offshore seamounts.

Like many of the smaller islands in this part of the Caribbean, Saba can be bit of a chore to get to. One needs to fly into St. Maarten and hop over from there. About 3½ hours from NYC and 2½ hours from Miami, St. Maarten is served by AA, Continental & BWIA from several major US cities along the eastern seaboard. Windward Island Airways (Winair) makes as many as five of the 15-minute flights to Saba each day. A r/t ticket is $119, but nonresidents can use a 50% off coupon available from the tourist office in the Princess Juliana arrival hall or the promotional rack by the security office in the concession area. If you can’t find one, ask at the Winair desk, where agents range from quite helpful to exemplars of what can be a French-Caribbean oxymoron, “customer service.” I have no idea how long this deal will be offered, but it made my day to save a buck or two.

For the island hopper challenged, between the Edge (599-5-442640) & Voyager (599-5-424096) ferries there are crossings 5 days a week, taking about an hour in sometimes rough water. A r/t ticket is about $60.

I most enjoy the approach when Mt. Scenery is ringed with light cloud cover. Something about the Gestalt strongly draws to mind the opening shot of Skull Island in the original “King Kong.” Even if you’re don’t recall that film, the white-knuckle landing will provide a fright, and alone is worth the price of admission. Using short take off & landing Twin Otters, they bring you into the island one of the world's most minuscule runways, with cliff on one side & water on the other. Expect to whisk through the Juancho E. Yrausquin Airport, a facility that is rather smaller than its name, without hassle by the Immigration/Customs agent who drives out to meet incoming flights. No matter where you are staying, it’s only a modest cab ride, all of which will be traveling either up or down hill along a road built by the islanders themselves after Dutch engineers repeatedly insisted it was impossible. Take my word for it, flat land on “The Big Green Gumdrop” is a rarity.

There are now 3 dive shops on the island, my previous favorite, Saba Reef, having thrown in the towel following the last hurricane. This is very sad, as they had battled back from the staggering May 1998 death of the shop’s owner, Chris. While driving his truck, one of the large rocks that precariously teeter over stretches of the road fell on the cab, crushing him while his significant other in the passenger seat sustained only minor injuries. Charlotte, one of the shop’s DMs, also in the vehicle but unhurt, is now working for Sea Saba.

(1) Saba Deep: A/C restaurant/pub & boutique on-site; nitrox/rebreathers; Mike Myers has been running this op for what must be nigh on 20 years, and aims to please, and does DM “Big Mike”; small & intimate;
(2) Sea Saba: Slick 38' Deltas with twin Cat turbo diesels & all the amenities you could ask for & allow for surface intervals at sea. The smaller craft of other ops mean a return to the marina for SI, not to mention close quarters; nitrox; for the guys, DM Thilde alone makes it worth a dive or three with this op (you’ll see what I mean); owners John & Lynn most accommodating; excellent op, but if you want a 4-6 pack arrangement, this is not it;
(1) The newest, Saba Divers: European op largely catering to the German crowd, has only been open for about a year; have recently added a V-hull craft to their fleet of ribbed Zodiacs; have not personally gone out with them.

All shops are located at the harbor in Fort Bay, and will arrange for transportation to & from your hotel for diving. None offer E6 processing, but the owner of the Brigadoon Restaurant in Windwardside will often do a few rolls if there's time & fresh chemicals in stock. Best to call ahead. Also accommodating is the owner of the little grocery store in Windwardside, who was gracious enough to extend credit when I didn’t have enough dinero to cover a bag of snacks (be prepared for sticker shock). BTW, dollars are widely accepted & English spoken everywhere.

During my brief stay, there were daytime temps in the mid-80s & nights in the mid-70s, modest humidity and sunny to partly cloudy skies, water temps of ~80 & vis up to 100+ on the best dives. Needless to say, this made it an even greater pleasure to hit what is arguably the some of best overall diving in the Caribbean. The 30+ dive sites around the island are rock & sand rather than true coral reef ala Coz, TCI, etc., and nearly all moored. Diving primarily takes place off the leeward, western side. While Saba is sometimes portrayed as a deep diving venue, there are scads of good midlevel and shallower sites to enjoy. If you want high voltage, deep seamount/pinnacle diving, it's definitely to be had once the dive op is confident of your skills. The Twilight Zone, Third Encounter, Outer Limits & Shark Shoals start at about 85'-90' and run to recreational limits & far beyond. As well as deep diving skills, you will also want to be comfortable with the blue water navigation needed to reach them. At Eye of the Needle, I had a companionable hawksbill turtle keep me oriented on the blue return to the surface. On the “Eye” I saw a couple of good sized Caribbean reef sharks, which I suspect are residents of the area, hunting at ~170’. The multicolored coral & sponge are quite healthy & striking on this massive spire, and I easily made a number of turns around it before hitting my personal comfort max. Although I am not a photographer, this site hits me as quite photogenic.

Even given a recently refurbished 4-place chamber right at the pier in Fort Bay, you obviously can’t do this kind of dive 3 times a day. It is therefore a felicitous coincidence that there are many shallower sites, mostly running very close to the western coast, including Diamond Rock, Diamond Bank & Man 'O War Shoals in the northwest. A number of the sites can be fully enjoyed as shallow as 20' with their turtles, small rays, eels and juvenile tropicals. The excellent Tent Reef area (good for multiple visits, including night dives), and Ladder Labyrinth & Hot Springs (milder versions of Dominica’s “Champagne” were the sand bottom is warmed by remaining thermal activity), can be found in the southwest. Around toward the southeast are Hole in the Wall & Big Rock Market. Sites are from 5 to 30 minutes from the marina on the south coast, and most rides are only about 15 minutes. Of the sites, Diamond Rock holds a special place in my heart. A rough rock formation extending from about 80’ to above the surface (where its coating of bird guanao makes it glitter in the sun, hence the name), it allows the diver to gradually spiral up it. Swept by a healthy current, every nook & cranny seems filed with life, with the chain of predators ranging all the way up to barracuda. A good location for eels of various sorts, and another site load with marco photo opportunities. In my experience, the chances of spotting seahorses in Saba are better than average for the greater Caribbean. Overall the u/w scene was remarkably healthy & robust, with few remnants of whatever silting, damaged biota or other havoc Lenny may have caused. I did not do any snorkeling at Torrens Point off Well’s Bay this trip, but if the self-guided Edward S. Arnold Snorkeling Trail remains undamaged, I’d recommend getting a waterproof map from your dive shop & asking them to drop you off there.

Accommodations include the upscale and pricey, like Willard’s & Queen’s Gardens”. Smaller, good value places include the recently renovated Juliana’s with a variety of rooms, two cottages & an excellent restaurant, and Cottage Club over in English Quarter which has 10 cottages fully equipped for cooking & dining in. All have pools. Saba Divers has spiffed up the basic old Scout's Place & offers some attractive packages. If you need to travel on a tight budget, then check out El Momo Guesthouse up on Jimmy’s Hill, where chances are you’ll share a bathroom & shower with other cabins, and the refrigerator & honor bar in the main house. Owners Gied & Els seem like good folk.

For overall value & hospitality, I recommend one the cottages at Juliana’s in Windwardside. She & her husband, Franklin, are about the nicest people you’d want to meet & will do everything to make your trip a pleasant one. Additionally, I like the natty, bistro-like décor at the on-site Tropics Café, and the couple of times I’ve eaten there the food has been scrumptious & reasonably priced by island standards. I’ve also stayed a Willard’s, which I found over-priced and under staffed with expensive & marginal quality food. In addition to my room being an uphill schelp (some fancier units are at even higher elevation) from the main building, it was right across from the tennis court where folks tended to play very early in the morning. Not the fashion in which I care to be awoken. However, the place does have a beautiful view, and the main building has a homey feeling to parts of it. Hopefully, its previously distant management (Washington, DC) is much closer now & things have changed, but I'd verify that before spending the considerable money involved in a stay here.

Cuisine around the island, once you tire of the ubiquitous goat stew, includes pizza at Guido's, Chinese at Saba Chinese Bar & Restaurant, and some unusual dishes at the Mango Royale on-site at the Queen's Garden Resort. I found many menus to be monotonously similar, and the food just so-so. Restaurants stock limited quantities of food, so have your resort make reservations in the AM so they know what to expect. Don't miss the Swinging Doors, which has a bargain barbecue on Tues and Fri nights. Personally, I liked the place better when it was just a funky old bar.

If you can safely work it around your dive-to-altitude restrictions, make the trek up Mt. Scenery, the central volcanic peak rising to nearly 2,900'. It is a nice, albeit strenuous, hike when views are not obscured by mist. Needless to say, it is best to do this before rather than after a week of diving. There are other networks of trails around the island that are well worth doing. The vegetation took quite a hit from Hurricanes Gilbert & Lenny, but is making a comeback. If you want to make a leisurely half day of it, can hike up the Windwardside approach, then around a small path to the Queens Gardens for lunch or a drink by their very atmospheric pool. If you do it on a Sunday, check out the “Steel Pan Brunch.” For the more ardent trekkers, there are marked & unmarked paths all over the island, and I suspect you could spend several days hiking them.

In summary, Saba is a quaint, quiet, largely undeveloped island with excellent attitude & diving, but no beaches (don’t even ask about Well's Bay Beach) & very little shopping or nightlife. If you need casinos, fancy restaurants, motorcycle rentals and broad expanses of beach, remain on St. Maarten, instead.

Best regards.

DocVikingo
 
TropiGal - Beachman is right - the best dive shop (IMO) is Ocean Explorers, Dominque and LeRoy French. Right down the street from the Pelican. While Pelican has a dive operator, I would advise driving down the block. OE is very laid back, more interested in good safe diving then simply making a buck and stuffing the boat with bodies. Richard was great crew getting you geared, in, and back on. He is also a diver/freediver and surprised my husband one dive by showing up at 40 feet sans gear (great lungs). PM me for web and email info in interested, I arrange all my stuff before leaving home. The SXM diving is not bad. The nice thing is you can do 2 morning dives and still be back by noon for lunch, trip into town, beach day, whatever. Especially if your friends do not dive. Saba is well worth the trip, even for a day. Winair was running specials (in Oct, $29 round trip) which were cheaper then the vomit-comet ferry. I would also recomend Saba Deep and the Mike's - Big Mike and Little Mike. Don't let Big Mike's gruff exterior fool you, he is very kind and a great guide. Dominque can arrange your trip over to Saba. Buy jewelry on days when ships are not in. French wines are cheap. Hit the beaches - Friars Bay (Kahli's has great food and drink, run by a couple of brothers who are cool guys), Orient (BEAUTIFUL beach, clothing optional= not always a pretty sight, good snorkeling right off the beach) Dawn, Maho, and Mullet Bay are some favorites.
 
We also used a timeshare at Pelican Marina (Flamingo). There's a dive op right there at the marina called Aquamania. Vinny is the one to see ... although the diving doesn't even begin to compare to a bad day's diving on Saba. I don't have the contact info with me, but if you're interested, contact me via email and I'll get it to you.

We opted for the ferry to Saba -- smooth water on the way over, but a bit bumpy on the way back -- and dove with Saba Divers (a return to us as we'd stayed with them last year). We were on Saba for 10 days and had a wonderful time, did 19 incredible dives (include a night dive) and didn't want to leave. We made more friends this year, and will probably return again.

Saba is very quiet and there are NO beaches. All towns are on one road -- man-made -- and three cars make a traffic jam! Pierre blows a conch horn every morning (except Sundays) at 6 a.m. The people are warm and friendly, the food reasonably priced and you can find some good deals (try The Brigadoon -- they serve Prime Rib on Thursdays and Sushi on I think Sundays, both of which require a reservation so they have YOUR food ... be sure to tell Tricia that Margaret & Norm in CA sent you). There is a hydroponic lettuce farm where quite a few of the restaurants get their fresh lettuce, but not too many other veggies are that fresh. The island also lives by its recycled/cistern water -- so if you don't conserve now, you will if you stay there.

We met Big Mike of Saba Deep. His boat probably handles 8-10 dives, but most days we saw him with 2-3. We stopped by Sea Saba's office/shop and chatted with them -- very nice people. They have two boats two-level boats (is that called a fly-deck or something?) that were packed every day, I think with 12-14 divers. We dove with Saba Divers, and the most we had on our boat was 6 divers with two DMs (all dives on Saba are guided, but they do give you some flexibility if you're taking photos -- just keep in sight and signal half-tank, etc.). They have two boats, one a zodiac and one an old lobster boat converted to a dive boat. All dive ops seem to be friendly and you just need to find the one that meets what you want. Here's the link to Saba's tourism site: http://www.sabatourism.com/ and you can check out options for packages, etc.

I haven't had a chance to post my trip report ... but to sum it all up, we didn't want to leave and we're ready to go back.

Margaret
 
Hey guys, thanks so much for the responses. I'm taking notes, sending emails and making calls. The information you provided has helped immensely. Received airline tickets in the mail already so it's a done deal....just the wait now. Saba is definitely on the agenda for at least one day - maybe two. Found a couple articles in dive magazine on Saba as well. Looks great!

We'll be contacting the dive shops as soon as we know if we need to be arranging for OW certification or resort course for our friends to dive off St. Maarten with us.

Again, thanks for all the comments and if there are any more out there......send them my way.
 
TropiGal

When will you be there????

Looks like we too are headed in the same direction in late March into early April....but we will stay in a Cottage on Saba.....
 
That would be the week. Have you booked your diving yet? If so, who will you be diving with there? We haven't made our dive arrangements for Saba yet.

We were hoping that the couple we are meeting over there would get certified before the trip but it doesn't look like that's the case. I'm sure they will enjoy snorkeling though and they know we love to dive and that we will be doing so. Maybe they will at least do a "discover scuba" class while there and be hooked.

What are your dates?
 
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