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Student diver dead - Co. Kent, England

Discussion in 'Accidents & Incidents' started by DandyDon, Jul 16, 2014.

  1. victor

    victor Solo Diver

    This lake is only 11-metres deep, according to NEMES DIVING & WATERSPORTS ACADEMY.
    They are a PADI dive school, however they may make the lake open to other clubs and dive organisations as a training resourse.
    Other than that the web is remarkably empty of detail or even speculation.
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  2. openmindOW

    openmindOW HSA Instructor

    Oldbear, someone out there can give us some appropriate facts. It is utterly appropriate for the dive community to know the agency involved and the level of training being received.

    Process of Elimination can help us to find out the agency. If the respective reps of each agency that was not involved would so post here, we could get closer to learning something.
  3. Basking Ridge Diver

    Basking Ridge Diver Solo Diver

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: New Jersey
    openmindOW - I am curious with Oldbear - why would the agency matter? To me this would be a student or instructor/student issue... Again not knowing anything at this point - not sure why or how the agency makes any difference to the story or be cumulative to scuba deaths in general.
    Is there a reason why the agency matters?
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  4. rivers

    rivers PADI Pro

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Bristol, UK
    Haven't heard anything on this side of the pond.
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  5. Hawkwood

    Hawkwood MSDT ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: None - Not Certified
    Location: NA
    The "Agency" does not train or control the students. The Instructor does.

    The "Agency's" role, regardless of which Agency, will only be to ensure that all training standards were met by the Instructor at the time of the incident.
  6. openmindOW

    openmindOW HSA Instructor

    In an investigation, you collect facts. You can determine their importance later.

    I also asked about level of training.

    Right now, there is silence.

    Let's get some facts.
  7. iztok

    iztok PADI Pro

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Charlotte, NC
    You initially just asked about agency and when called upon you expanded to level of training.

    As other above I think it is not an agency issue. I can understand level of training but not agency (unless it is determined that standards were followed yet with change of standards this could be prevented).
  8. DandyDon

    DandyDon Old men ought to be explorers ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: One kilometer high on the Texas Central Plains
    I think they have police in the UK, while I think this is but a discussion forum. Finding blame is not a goal here.

    It just does not matter which agency!
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  9. openmindOW

    openmindOW HSA Instructor

    Well, some readers of Sb might want to know. I do.

    When someone say Instructors matter, not standards, I have to wonder. Don't agency standards determine who becomes an instructor?

    How about level of training? Does it matter what class the student was taking?

    Of course it does. And once you say it's, say, a rebreather class you get into agency standards. So you get back to agency.

    If you don't want to know what agency is involved, fine. Don't read those posts.

    But you cannot say that others may not know either.
  10. Redshift

    Redshift DIR Practitioner

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Finland
    Agency is probably the most irrelevant fact here.
    There is no knowledge of what happened here. There are so many things that can and go wrong that have nothing to do with agencies... so I'm with the other posters who found weird your eagerness to find out the agency and your "plan" to discover it. Even the level of training, as I don't see training level as having a noticeable effect on dive accidents. Are divers taking more advanced training suffering more accidents? Or the opposite? Is there any information at all regarding this?

    Yes, maybe in some situations a difference in standards can have an influence in safety. How often does that happen? That discussion is surely appropriate and important once we know what happened and if what happened can have anything to do with standards. Until then, it's irrelevant.
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