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Discussion in 'Solo Divers' started by Blackfrogfeet, Feb 19, 2021.

  1. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I agree with this 100%. But, as with many things, PADI either ignored or didn't care about the unintended consequences....i.e., their Self-Reliant card, which is equal to or better than the SDI Solo card, not being accepted because it does not explicitly say Solo. All they have to do is announce in the Training Bulletin that, henceforth, and retroactively, the Self-Reliant Diver certification is renamed as the Self-Reliant and Solo Diver certification. Then it is even better than the Solo-only card from SDI.
     
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  2. Wibble

    Wibble Contributor

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    And still wouldn’t be acceptable as the alumni were trained as buddyless buddy system divers.
     
  3. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Continuing to say this does not make it true.
    If you compare the content and standards of the training, the PADI course is slightly better than the SDI course for solo diving.
     
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  4. tursiops

    tursiops Marine Scientist and Master Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Of course, PADI never mentions the word "solo" in the 27 years they have published their quarterly Training Bulletin.
    The only current mention I know of for PADI professionals explicitly regarding "solo" is in a posting buried on the PADIPro website under Curriculum>References>Topics-of-Interest>Diving-Without-a-Partner. It is attached here. I do not know its publication date.
     

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  5. TMHeimer

    TMHeimer Divemaster

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    Yes, that's the answer. Wonder if it has been proposed?
     
  6. yle

    yle Instructor, Scuba

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    I stated that solo divers are a subset of self-reliant divers. This is not a matter of opinion, it's fact... by definition of a "subset": all solo divers are self-reliant, but not all self-reliant divers are solo.

    It's like saying "dogs are a subset of mammals", i.e. all dogs are mammals, but not all mammals are dogs. You can choose to disagree, but the statement is still a fact.
     
  7. yle

    yle Instructor, Scuba

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    Can we just agree that the UK is different than the rest of the world? So if we accept that all your statements on this topic are true in the UK, will you accept that it's possible they are not so outside of the UK?

    Just trying to find something we can agree on.
     
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  8. yle

    yle Instructor, Scuba

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    All right, we can agree on this! Although some would argue that Rescue should be a pre-req to SRD or Solo. It's a "chicken and egg" situation.

    Taking the two courses concurrently, like nitrox & deep together, might be the best.
     
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  9. Wibble

    Wibble Contributor

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    Quite frankly the only thing that matters are the skills and kit to go solo diving. One of the biggest skills is being hard on oneself for high standards and not attempting to dive when it's "not right". What's not right is for you to determine, getting it wrong may result in death.

    Who taught the course is more important that the 'course' -- which IMHO is primarily an assessment of your skills you bring to the 'workshop'. Instructor's skills are critical here as you're paying for experience and not a freshly minted recreational dive instructor who does nothing other than teach courses.


    As an aside, I'm rapidly learning that PADI's a lot more prevalent in the US than the UK!
     
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  10. Compressor

    Compressor ScubaBoard Supporter Staff Member ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Interesting thread as usual as many people saying the same thing but in different words.
     

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