The Ethics of Full Disclosure on ScubaBoard

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boulderjohn

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Divers come to Scuba Board every day looking for advice on scuba gear and services. When they do, they get immediate advice from expert divers, which is one of the best services a site like this provides. But some of that advice might not be from the most unbiased sources in the world. To what degree would you believe a source if you knew the writer was being paid to give you that advice?

I know someone whose previous job was in marketing, and one part of his daily work was going to product review web sites and writing reviews—positive ones for the those paying him, and negative ones for their competition. Knowing that, I take all those reviews with a large chunk of salt.

Over the years, ScubaBoard has had many a thread explode with anger when a poster writing to praise or attack a certain product or service was revealed to have a direct financial connection to the topic being discussed. Those threads become understandably ugly but they are fortunately rare. On the other hand, I suspect such posting may be happening more often than we realize, and it can have a truly detrimental effect on the overall quality of the service ScubaBoard provides.

A former frequent poster on ScubaBoard once used to praise certain products and services while strongly condemning the competition, and eventually we learned that he was being paid to do it. There are some other ScubaBoard posters whose advice is so immediate and so predictable that I cannot help but feel there has to be some sort of financial arrangement going on there as well. Once those posts are made, if another product is mentioned, the poster will often make sure people know what is wrong with the competing product. If we are talking about an objective belief, that is one thing; if we are talking about a paid endorsement, it is quite another.

Most scuba professionals get some sort of discount for the gear they purchase—I myself rarely pay full price for anything, and if you see me dive, nearly everything you will see me wear was purchased at a deep discount from the manufacturer. That is to be expected, just as you expect ski instructors to get a discount on the equipment they use. That is not what I am talking about, though. That is different from posing as an objective reviewer and actively hawking that gear in exchange for some form of compensation.

In terms of ethics, any poster who has any sort of arrangement with anyone or any product they are endorsing should make that perfectly clear. That can either be stated in the message, or it can be CLEARLY identified in the signature line, but readers should know that this arrangement exists. It is simply the right thing to do.
 
If SB knows of members who have done this and does nothing about their biased posts, then the problem is much greater. Have those posts been removed?
 
Name names. I have had my suspicions about certain posters but I can see through that and would research a product and competing manufacturer anyway but not everyone can do that.

Not being a professional, my discount comes from buying used.
 
There are some other ScubaBoard posters whose advice is so immediate and so predictable that I cannot help but feel there has to be some sort of financial arrangement going on there as well.

I'm entirely in favor of full disclosure. I make no secret about how I make my living, and have long recognized that anybody can claim anything given anonymous nature of the medium.

I have never, not once, paid anyone in cash or goods, to say anything on any forum regarding my goods. Not once.
It's not only unethical, it will eventually be exposed and reputations are hard to build and easily lost.

That's not to say it doesn't happen, I'm sure it does, but support should not be assumed to be purchased in the absence of other evidence.

Tobin
 
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The job title of the person John is talking about is social media marketing specialist. The people pose as regular posters but their sole purpose is to promote a product or idea. It is bad enough when it is done for a product or service, but it is much more insidious when it is done for political and ideological manipulation. Just like there is fake news, there is fake opinion. This is a huge problem on sites like facebook and reddit. It is often obvious in amazon product reviews, but it is much harder to detect in forums and sites like pintrest.

Ethics in marketing? LOL
 
It happens on other boards, sometimes it's subtle and takes a while to spot. Anyway, at this point can I just say it's about this time of day I usually have a Pot Noodle! It's a tasty delicious little snack! Ummmm! Let's try some, shall we? Doesn't that look absolutely yumscious! Ohhhh!
 
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There are several regular posters who seem like they may have an arrangement with the brand they support. I'm all for disclosing these arrangements. I would like to hope this notice is enough to prompt such disclosure. If not, more draconian measures may be needed.
 
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If SB knows of members who have done this and does nothing about their biased posts, then the problem is much greater. Have those posts been removed?
As I said, the only cases in which we know for sure were fully revealed within the threads. In another case, we learned of it well after the person was active, and even in that case, the source is not unimpeachable. In most cases, it is just a strong suspicion.
 
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