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The Jaw-Dropping Stats from Hurricane Irma

Discussion in 'Sea Save Foundation' started by Sea Save Foundation, Sep 19, 2017.

  1. Skeptic14

    Skeptic14 Manta Ray

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    Burning coal, oil and gas warms our planet and that way supplies energy for the build-up of ever more powerful tropical storms,” said Levermann.

    :confused:

    No matter, it appears we are once more in agreement on the major point.
     
  2. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board

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    Sounds scary. But that's the point of this Captain Obviousesque point.
    Are you suggesting that storm ferocity is on the decline then? Maybe you're suggesting that the preponderance of scientists don't know global warming from shinola??? It's easy to cast doubt where little exists.

    These are nuthin' but FUDDD tactics: Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt, Distortion & Deceit. They don't add to our scientific understanding or knowledge, but rather try to tear them down. Usually, there's a political agenda here, though not always. Chicken Littles do exist.
    So you're suggesting that warmer water can also reduce storm intensity? Do you have actual facts to support this??? Of course, there are other mitigating factors that may intensify or diminish a storm. I even pointed that out, but I've never heard anyone suggest that warmer water may reduce the intensity of a storm. Call me a 'skeptic', but I'm going to have to see some evidence in order to accept this. Just because you say it, doesn't make it true.
     
  3. Skeptic14

    Skeptic14 Manta Ray

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    Huh?

    Nope.

    Again that's a big nope, that's all you.

    This convo seems rather unproductive, let me fix that.
     
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  4. Bubblesong

    Bubblesong Marine Scientist

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  5. Storker

    Storker Divemaster

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    Quoted for truth.

    Science has its flaws, sure. But science is inherently self-correcting, and scientists respect data and evidence above everything.
     
  6. oldschoolto

    oldschoolto Regular of the Pub

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    If I recall correctly... CNN has had a long list of people on that are saying that this is all because of AGW... And "Here is the proof" ... Where were they for the past years when there were no big storms.. The last time they were playing the AGW card was Katrina..

    The same people who are AGW nuts also are anti nuke... If CO2 is the problem then you think they would be willing to build. Nuclear power plants and shut down the coal and gas fired plants as fast as we can.

    Jim...
     
  7. Bubblesong

    Bubblesong Marine Scientist

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    I've been on Scubaboard only one year, so I didn't realize this discussion is as cyclical as the weather! Here is a post from over 10 years ago talking about the same thing!
    The OP on this thread suggests not idling the SUV as a helpful hint, whereas, I would suggest planting more trees, not lawn, but anyway:
    Don't complain when you're part of the problem.

    Opposing view:
    Then no discussion or retraction of this linear analysis of AGW and Hurricanes during the calm Hurricane years, now back at it.
     
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  8. oldschoolto

    oldschoolto Regular of the Pub

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    They "AGW people" cry the same thing every time there is a big storm.. It's really funny to me....

    Jim...
     
  9. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board

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    Let's get this straight. I suggested that warmer water makes more violent storms.

    You said it was "complicated". In what way is this one variable complicated?

    So, just considering this one vector, does warmer water add or detract from a storm's ferocity? Please support your supposition.

    Oh, and leave? How droll. People ask you for facts to support your remarkable claims and you scoot? I'm beginning to suspect more of a political agenda here.
     
  10. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board

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    Did you ever get the bad taste of saying "The earth is flat!" out of your mouth? Science postulates, the deniers deny, and a century later they accept facts as just that. In the meantime, science has postulated more stuff that violates their religious or political agendas and they deny that too. It's a vicious circle, but science doesn't care if you believe it or not. It just wants to figure things out.
     

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