Treatment of a suspected victim of decompression Sickness outside Recompression Chamb

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This isn't a case of somebody missing his deco and coming up symptom free and switching tanks and going back for deco time U/W, this is about a guy going on two consecutive dives to 40+meter (130+ feet) spearfishing (on air) and then coming up from his second dive and showing clear signs of severe DCS (including partial paralysis). They took this person down after giving him a double tank setup with -Air- and sending him down to 18 meters (60 feet) to "help reduce the effects of DCS." These good folks claim that they doing this would be much better than waiting for several hours to get this victim back to shore and a medical facility.

My question is more general than just this specific scenario. In Libya it seems that this is the norm and the "belief" on how to administer first aid on site after somebody came up showing signs and symptoms of DCS. I need solid and definitive information from an authoritative person(s) in the US for me to turn back and try to fight this ignorance that has taken root here in Libya.
 
My guess is that they do not carry a dive computor, nor use tables.............In this case tell them not to dive that deep or that long. Nothing else you can do.
 
The issue isn't about diving deep or not, it is about what is the required course of action after somebody comes up from a dive showing clear signs and symptoms of DCS and if taking the diver back underwater on air is justified at all when 100% O2 isn't available on site and proper medical facilities are many hours away.
 
The people that WANT to dive like this, should be told that "Not everyone is cut out to be a diver......that they would be considered "Never-Evers" with this attitude, that they just don't have what it takes to be a diver..." The proof in this is the large number getting bent--proving that they should have been playing golf, or tennis, or some sport that does not require the understanding of physics. Maybe if you make the plight of the bent divers sound ignorant and pathetic enough, there would be an incentive for these Libyan divers to try and AVOID becoming so pathetic and having the world see them as morons.....They DO need to get this...that the behavior we are discussing, should be seen as moronic and representative of an imbecile.


You know back in the 60's in the US, Americans saw James Bond diving in Movies, as well as episodes of Sea Hunt with Lloyd Bridges....The adventurer types wanted to dive.....and the vast majority that did this without real certification, still read up on no-deco tables, and how to plan a dive--or they were mentored by someone. Diving to 150 feet was fairly common even in the 60's by adventurer types...but apparently these guys had more common sense. The "plans" you need for a No-deco profile, are pretty simple. And having an emergency plan, is not so hard if you miss by a few minutes.....Those that can't do this, really do need to be shown as being Stupid, and a cultural shift needs to occur where this behavior is outside of the norms...and on the wrong side of the norms.

I think this needs to be treated as a Sociological Issue....It seems that there must be some underlying cultural acceptance of this ignorant behavior--and maybe they see this as "Cowboy Style diving" or something...that the risks are part of a desirable stereotyped behavior...Which is why I am saying -- "nip this in the bud", at the cultural level, and get the social reaction from friends, family, the town, and anybody on a boat, to be that this kind of deep diving with no concept of tables or deco or of planning to prevent DCS, is behavior that should get a person SHUNNED as a total loser, a moron, and someone you don't want to know --and potentially have to support when their ignorant behavior puts them in a wheel chair for life.
 
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I can't believe I'm about to agree with Dan Volker on something.....but he's on to something. If they're going to dive like that, and refuse to realize how unbelievably dangerous it is, and they don't do anything to prepare for it (carrying oxygen, seeking outside training, etc) then there are only two things to do:
1) Prevent DCS by not diving or 2) realize that getting bent is part of it.

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I need solid and definitive information from an authoritative person(s) in the US for me to turn back and try to fight this ignorance that has taken root here in Libya.

I'd go to DAN. You're probably not going to get an absolute, as deco is more black magic than exact science, but between DAN and Duke you've got the vast majority of the world's deco knowledge.
 
Just about everybody is right in that IWR is not recommended, and if it is done, oxygen seems to be a key. On the other hand, the fact that there are at least 6 published protocols on how to do it more than suggests that it is at least controversial. The Rubicon article above refers readers to the Wikipedia article, to which they contributed: In-water recompression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. It is a pretty good article.

Here is something else to read, an article by Dr. Richard Pyle, who has personal experience with in-water recompression: http://www.angelfire.com/ca/divers3/IWR.pdf. Here is a an interesting portion:
Indeed, even among authors who discuss IWR, the
vast majority condemn the practice of using air as a breathing mixture. The source of this
condemnation appears to stem from the commonly-held believe among hyperbaric specialists that
breathing air during IWR attempts tends to worsen symptoms more often than it improves them (11,
30). However, the empirical foundation of this widespread believe has been called into question
(31). Published survey data of diving fishermen in Hawaii (4) indicate an apparently very high rate
of success (in terms of symptom elimination or improvement) when using air as a breathing mixture
for IWR (Figure 1).​

I think it can be a tough call if you are in a really bad situation, like 24 hours from potential help. (Yes, that can happen if you are on a liveaboard at the far end of the Galapagos, for example.) Two years ago in Cozumel, Opal Cohen got back in the water with DCS symptoms. Her boat was waiting for other divers to surface, and she decided she could not wait. I think most people would agree that the better course of action would have been to find some way to get her to shore and into the chamber as soon as possible, and we will never know if she would have lived had that happened and she had gotten effective treatment earlier. In that case, her treatment would have been delayed only an hour at most had she not gone back in the water, but what if we are talking about a very serious delay in treatment and the possibility of death in the meantime? What would you do? In another article by Pyle I read some time ago and cannot find now, he describes an interesting incident in which three divers got bent in a situation where they had a very long delay facing them before treatment. One of them insisted on being put back in the water for a while, receiving a very informal treatment that way. He was the only one of the three who lived.

The end of the Wikipedia article includes this comment about what they call informal treatment, referring to the DAN 2008 article:
Although in-water recompression is regarded as risky, and to be avoided, there is increasing evidence that technical divers who surface and demonstrate mild DCS symptoms may often get back into the water and breathe pure oxygen at a depth 20 feet/6 meters for a period of time to seek to alleviate the symptoms. This trend is noted in paragraph 3.6.5 of DAN's 2008 accident report.[16]The report also notes that whilst the reported incidents showed very little success, "[w]e must recognize that these calls were mostly because the attempted IWR failed. In case the IWR were successful, [the] diver would not have called to report the event. Thus we do not know how often IWR may have been used successfully."​

In other words, they have reports of IWR attempts that did not work, but they don't know about reports that did work and were not reported. People tend not to call them when things go right. As it turns out, I know of three successful IWR incidents following technical dives, all using oxygen, full-face masks, and one of the established protocols (not sure which one). I was not present for any of them, but it was with a group of divers and location with whom and where I was diving regularly in those days. I know the diving agency involved in those dives was actually considering creating a course in IWR, at least according to the instructor present at that location who supervised the IWR, but they decided against it.
 
IWR has its merits on O2 as was stated before. Conversely, if only air is available, one would need to be put down to their deepest depth or more to make it worth while, and the ascent would be so slow that basically you would need a buttload of extra tanks or surface supplied air. O2, O2, O2.....and a FFM is the only way IWR can be done successfully by the average dive operation.
 
I understand that in the availability of the proper equipment (100% O2, Full Face Mask, etc.) and the properly trained support divers, proper use of relevant IWR tables, weather conditions, etc. IWR "may" help, however, none of this required equipment and trained knowledgeable people are available in these situations in Libya at all. They used regular masks with Air (21% O2) and the people weren't highly trained and most likely most of them weren't even certified. They are soo out of touch with the rest of the developed world. If they had any of the required equipment for IWR, they would have had 100% O2 setup on board their boat to begin with. What is available to them is regular scuba equipment and air with no current knowledge or availability of the specialized IWR tables or equipment. The delay to get the victim to the nearest medical facility is most likely no more than 10 hours at the most (I think that it is much less, 2 - 4 hours).

Note: Dive boats in Libya don't go too far in the sea away from the shoreline. I'd assume that the boat is only 1 hour away at the most from shore. It would probably be 1 - 3 hour drive at the most to the nearest medical facility along the coastal highway if they are actually launching their boat from a remote location on the coast in Libya.
 
In think in the situation you described the diver is basically screwed.
So what would you say if someone said to you, "Well, it looks like we can't get you to treatment in time. Do you have any last words? Any message for your wife and kids?"

In that case, I am going to guess that you might say, "What do you say we give this IWR thing a try?"
 
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