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VIP Inspectors: Identifiable vs Identified

Discussion in 'Advanced Scuba Discussions' started by lowviz, Nov 11, 2019.

  1. tridacna

    tridacna ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Please explain what you mean by "hang up your shingle now".
     
  2. abnfrog

    abnfrog Tech Instructor

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    I have been told that if the lds is affiliated in any way with tdi/sdi and wont respect that vip tag they will have a problem with sdi/tdi , and rightly so ............I had 1 shop deny a sdi vip sticker they got a phone call from HQ .....they except them now
     
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  3. Schwob

    Schwob Solo Diver

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    Albeit I am not quite sure on the wording, I do like my sticker and it has my Inspector number on it. Anybody who feels the need to know can take it from there to get more info. As that sticker only goes on my tanks, if they pass, any filling shop has a real easy way to find out who the inspector is. I tell them upfront. So far only three shops filled my tanks since I inspected them, so my sampling size is tiny.

    And yes, all the punch options "(Decade") on there might be a bit silly, but in my case that pile of stickers will outlast me... and I just can't help it with being frugal...

    And I did quite like @abnfrog 's class on the matter!
    And in case anyone thinks my stickers are really silly, I didn't consult anyone. Just felt like doing them that way one day...
    VIP-sticker_Schwob_censored.jpg
     
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  4. lowviz

    lowviz Solo Diver ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I like the sticker.

    But, for me, I just want a fill without issues. I don't like showing up with an 'all about me' tank that some prig is going challenge. It met SDI standards, so did I, fill the damn thing.

    If it turns out that I cheated and hurt someone just to get a dive then that is on me and I take that responsibility quite seriously. Different strokes for different folks...
     
  5. Jim Lapenta

    Jim Lapenta Dive Shop

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    Its not a shop. It's a location where a shop contracts with it to have a fill station. According to the email I got from them last year, the sticker needed to have a shop name and address. Their place, their rules.
     
  6. michael-fisch

    michael-fisch Manta Ray

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    I'm glad that I have 8 sets of 3L tanks for my rebreathers, lots of stages and my own mixed gas fillstation. I am not in a position that I'll ever have to depend on anyone else to either fill or screw up the fill in my tanks.

    Michael
     
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  7. markmud

    markmud Self Reliant Diver--On All Dives. ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Hi rjack321,

    I agree with your post.

    Please add to your post a paragraph about "chain of custody.' Once the owner of the tank takes custody of the tank that @lowviz has inspected, the "chain of custody" is broken. No one knows if the tank received repeated super cave fills, or was dropped, or as I do, has had the valve removed for transport either on a jetliner or through a commercial postal service. Nobody can prove the "chain of custody" from the point that the customer takes possession of the tank from @lowviz after he inspected it.

    A visual inspection is like any other inspection, it is a snapshot picture taken at that moment in time (the moment the inspection is complete). In reality, it is useless beyond that point.

    The industry assumption is that within a year, damage caused by abuse, or latent defects, will not propagate to the point that a catastrophic failure will occur (within that year).

    As you stated, @lowviz will probably still get sued in civil court if a tank that he inspected grenades on someone. The odds of that happening are extremely low (both, catastrophic failure and getting sued).

    cheers,
    markm
     
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  8. lowviz

    lowviz Solo Diver ScubaBoard Supporter

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    @markmud: Excellent point about 'chain of custody'. However, I believe that I do not break its chain of custody unless I pass it to someone else without documenting that action.

    Chain of custody tells you nothing about what terrible things I might have done to a tank under my watch. However, it likely does tell you something about liability as to where the damage/miss-call happened. Send a tank through an airport? Good luck with identifying anyone...

    This thread was started as due diligence on my part to tease out these issues, several of which I hadn't considered. Thank you all.
     
  9. rjack321

    rjack321 Captain

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    There is no chain of custody for cylinders - such a thing does not exist.
    If the cylinder is abused at any point after its last hydro and then subsequently has a catastrophic failure, past investigations suggest that DOT is probably going to figure that out with metallurgical analysis. And as far as I can tell looking back on the explosion reports here and on DOT's website, there's no hints or suggestions that any explosion or fire event ever went to court. It's never been a criminal matter, probably because the events are so rare they are legitimately classified as accidents
     
  10. rjack321

    rjack321 Captain

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    Good luck, scuba shops make up arbitrary rules all the time. As soon as you respond to one issue, they will makeup another.
     
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