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Vortex revisited

Discussion in 'Cave Diving' started by Kevin Carlisle, Feb 25, 2011.

  1. ScubaNurse758

    ScubaNurse758 Solo Diver

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    Although I normally tend to just read along and enjoy the banter on here, I feel like throwing my 2 psi in today..... I think that anyone who has an unbiased view of this situation and can intelligently discern between fact and assumption can easily come to the conclusion that Ben McDaniel is not in Vortex Spring. With that being said, I also think that the argument that he would never disappear because he knows how bad it would hurt his family is unbelievable too. While my specialty is not psychological in nature, I have dealt with this on several occasions and can state for a fact that a diseased mind, be it chronic or acute, will do things and make decisions that have no regard for anyone else in the world, be it friend or family. In my mind, someone who had all the skeletons in the closet that Ben seemed to have would be the perfect candidate to "snap" and do something unbelievable, such as stage a death and simply leave it all behind. The more I read about how his log books were kept and the large amounts of research and highlighting and reading he had been doing on caving seems in hindsight to lend itself more to a disjointed and manic thought process than a calculated and reasoning study of a subject. I do strongly hope that the recent death at Vortex had no relation to the reward for finding Ben and that no one will attempt such a foolish thing. I do hope that the McDaniel family will someday be able to come to grips with the fact that Ben is NOT in that cave and find some type of closure, if such a thing can be found in this situation. As had already been stated many times before, I thank the cave divers who took great risk to search for him and I feel they did a very conclusive job of ruling out where he is not. Sorry if I rambled, just a few thoughts that have been rattling around in my head for a while!

    Jordan.
     
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  2. Hetland

    Hetland Solo Diver

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    Okay, where is his helmet? How did he shrink the diameter of his tanks?
     
  3. ianr33

    ianr33 Solo Diver

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    There's an exciting documentary?
     
  4. Scott

    Scott Tech Instructor

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    Magical shrinking potion How can I shrink to 4 inches with a potion? | ChaCha

     
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  5. Kevin Carlisle

    Kevin Carlisle Loggerhead Turtle

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    After several pm's and questions about the shovel I am going to post it here. Why didnt Edd see the shovel? Simple, it wasnt there then. The McDaniels hired Steve Keene ( last name might be spelled wrong ) who intiially explored and lined vortex to come in and do what they thought edd couldnt. Steve brought the shovel, and left the shovel several months after Edd did his dive. This is why the shovel was not found by Edd.
     
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  6. SC_Hoaty

    SC_Hoaty Solo Diver

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  7. mike_s

    mike_s Solo Diver

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  8. SC_Hoaty

    SC_Hoaty Solo Diver

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    The story is what it is. Seems like both the TV episode and the article did a fair job. I'm curious to see Ben's Vortex, and wonder if some of this discussion may weigh on the post-production editing. Will the "shovel" have a footnote to clarify its origin? Will there be more information about Larry's death? Will Lowell Kelly's death add a different dimension? This may take extra popcorn, so pass it over, Mike.
     
  9. mike_s

    mike_s Solo Diver

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    I've wondered how much Lowell Kelly's part in Ben's disappearance had been "discussed" ? :popcorn: indeed.


    I mean was Ben paying admission or sneaking in at night?


    Did Lowell Kelly see sneaking in at night as thievery?



    We all know that Lowell doesn't like thieves. The last person that ALLEGEDLY stole from him was taken out and beaten with a baseball bat and left in the woods.



    You want butter with your :popcorn: ?
     
  10. Jax

    Jax Deplorable American ScubaBoard Supporter

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    What happened to the Popcorn Smiley? :shocked2:
     

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