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What Activities should be allowed/restricted on Wrecks?

Discussion in 'Canadian Wreck Preservation' started by Ontario Diver, Oct 19, 2004.

  1. Otter

    Otter ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: SoCal (native)
    I think O_D has good handle on what is ok, so lets open it up a bit. What about coastal/seawater wrecks where the life of the wreck is short-lived (50-100 yrs). When does it become ok to remove artifacts (not human remains)? Wait too long and they will be rust. Too soon, and lots of other divers miss the oppty to see the wreck in all of its glory.
  2. Paul Evans

    Paul Evans "Mr Mares"

    Some people have very strong views about this type of thing, you can't get away from that. The thread I pointed out shows this very clearly :11:

    OD as a maths bod :eyebrow: you should know..................

    There are lies,
    Dammed lies,
    and there are statistics. :D
  3. ShakaZulu

    ShakaZulu Contributor

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: San Diego, CA
    How would you police all those activities????
  4. Paul Evans

    Paul Evans "Mr Mares"

    These are probably the best set of "rules" I have seen..............

    But as Shaka has pointed out, how do you enforce them?
    There were a few in the other thread who would strip a wreck if they could :11:

    I realise what you are trying to achive, and it has the highest merits, but it seems impossible to enforce :frown:
  5. cobaltbabe

    cobaltbabe Diva of the Deep

    I agree with you Mr. Mares. Policing the wrecks in Ontario or anyplace is going to be hard if not impossible. Without the support of the charter operators and other divers, there is not enough police to patrol our waters much less our wrecks. It would be nice if enforcement was readily available but financially the governement, either provincial or federal are not going to put out money to patrol something that is sitting at the bottom of the lake.
  6. Ontario Diver

    Ontario Diver Contributor

    Totally correct. I don't think we'll ever see SCUBA cops anchored overtop of wrecks - snipers at the bow watching the ascent line. For the wreck strippers and those who remove artifacts from wrecks, education and self policing is the best method even if it doesn't always work as well as we would like. It can get better and well thought out regulations with the backing of the scuba diving community would only help.

    But this is not the primary purpose behind the legislation. The primary focus is to prevent commercial exploitation of these wrecks by "salvage" companies. Currently, any wreck and/or its cargo can be salvaged without worrying about historical values or other impact in the majority of Canadian waters. That means that whole shipwrecks could be wrecked apart by the use of claw buckets or explosives - "treasure" removed as quickly and economically as possible without regard to the historical or cultural record.

    As an example, here is a wreck http://www.mcc.gouv.qc.ca/pamu/champs/archeo/epaphips/wreck03.htm. This wreck had many excellent artifacts. If it wasn't for the fact that the guy who found it had just taken his NAS 1 course - he may not have known what to do. By the same token, he could have told one of his friends over a beer; and the wreck site could have been stripped - legally under the salvage provisions of the Canada Shipping Act. This is the real thrust of the regulations. If we can stop and limit the people that grab a pot or knife at the same time, even better.
  7. Mr Adams

    Mr Adams Contributor

    The only way to protect them is to raise them than preserve them, every thing else is just hobby talk.

    Mr A.

    PS: hey matt and marie, when do I get my official SB Staff badge.
  8. Tom R

    Tom R Instructor, Scuba

    Just like we all thought you have a mod in your pocket :D , just remember this is a no trolling forum.
  9. Paul Evans

    Paul Evans "Mr Mares"

    Where does the money come from to raise a wreck :06:

    Let alone the work that needs to be done once it is raised.

    Tom has posted some horrific photos on the Ontario board of a wreck that has been badly damaged by anchors, If charter boats are doing this when there are moorings in place what chance have you got :frown:

    There are some who, no matter what, you can't educate.
    There are some who are driven by a fast buck.
    The worse thing is they can lurk around boards like this one!!
    Its really sad!!!!!

    The damage that has been done to wrecks in the UK is criminal, times are changing and people now see the benifits of preseving these sites, but there will always be a small minority who don't give a S**t

    The big problem with any piece of protective law is it will always fall short, or be draconian. You can,t please all of the people all of the time :06:

    What is being done with POW is fantastic. And I wish you the best of luck, but your going to need a lot of help.

  10. Mr Adams

    Mr Adams Contributor


    I had the privilege over the years of working on the raising and sinking of many older wrecks and the removal of sea junk, and the majority of the money comes from Government grants and idividuals from the private sector who are interested in sunken wrecks, the preservation of older wrecks, and even the removal of wrecks. The sinking of the wrecks out west in British Columbia were done because of the gracious financial and labour donations of many different people. If you ever get a wreck sunk in Ontario it will take big donations and hard donated work and If you ever been to a zoo or museum there are always donation box's some were asking for help to get a certain project up on its feet so you better get your box's out soon.


    Mr A

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