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When does a dive centre get investigated?

Discussion in 'Q and A for Scuba Certification Agencies' started by Divemaster No.1, Aug 29, 2019.

  1. Divemaster No.1

    Divemaster No.1 Angel Fish

    # of Dives: 5,000 - ∞
    Location: Koh Phangan, Thailand
    Hi all,

    Is there a limit to how many accidents a dive centre can have before SSI/PADI etc take away their licence or investigate the possibility? There's a place i'm aware of that are more than a little lax when it comes to safety...
  2. wetb4igetinthewater

    wetb4igetinthewater Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Seattle
    Is litigation or criminal investigation involved? If not, I doubt it. I'm watching to see if one of those agencies does anything about one of their CDs/ITs certifying students without completing all the requirements, violating various standards, especially when it comes to safety. I suspect nothing will come of it as there hasn't been litigation due to any deaths or criminal charges. So why mess with a revenue stream? I've seen how agencies disregard the code of conduct.

    The desperation of agencies for revenue is disturbing.
  3. yle

    yle Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Southern California
    How would you even know if a dive center had its "license" from an agency (SSI, PADI, etc) revoked? If a dive op is willing to cut corners with safety for their paying customers, what would stop them from continuing to claim they are associated with their agency, even if the agency has expelled them?

    The world is a big place and agencies like SSI, PADI, etc do not have unlimited resources to police dive ops everywhere. The best you can do is report what you know to the relevant agency and leave it to them to act on it. Hopefully the reputation of the agency is more valuable than the annual dues they receive from a dive op that ignores standards.

    It's also worth noting that if you make a report to an agency, they will not tell you when they investigate and they will not tell you the results of their investigation. This can sometimes leave "reporters" with the impression that their complaint has been ignored, but the agency keeps their investigations private.
  4. grantwiscour

    grantwiscour Regular of the Pub

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Kona Coast, Big Island of Hawaii
    PADI has a "Special Advisories" section on their website with "banned" or other "problem" ops/people.
    Special Advisories | PADI
    Hoyden, chillyinCanada and Jay like this.
  5. The Chairman

    The Chairman Chairman of the Board

    # of Dives: I just don't log dives
    Location: Cave Country!
    No agency investigates for accidents that are -NOT- training related. It's not their bailiwick. The Coasties or local LEOs are in charge of that. However, it takes only one student getting hurt or dying in order to get them to investigate, as that's their purvue. Of course, the Coasties and local LEOs will be doing the same.
    Hoyden likes this.
  6. Divemaster No.1

    Divemaster No.1 Angel Fish

    # of Dives: 5,000 - ∞
    Location: Koh Phangan, Thailand
  7. chris kippax

    chris kippax Divemaster

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Australia
    Usually a thorough investigation begins when they don’t pay their fees (joke)

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