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why do padi shops not recognize ssi first aid training ??

Discussion in 'SSI: Scuba Schools International' started by rick00001967, May 15, 2012.

  1. k ellis

    k ellis Divemaster

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    Well Boulderjohn provided a good link to answer your question about CPR. As far as why they do or do not accept one or the others certifying agency is it simply boils down to the fact they issue the card so they decide on what they will take.

    Also though I said this once earlier in the thread dont be afraid to be certified by more then one instructor or agency. If it ever does come down to the wire which mine did it only makes it look better on your part and kind of eliminates the question of how well did you listen and did you forget between certs.

    Saving lives and attempting to save lives is never something to take lightly and once your in the fight for ones life its too late to get the training. The more you practice something and the more prepared you are the better your chances of a successful outcome are.
     
  2. flots am

    flots am Solo Diver

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    They're just being dicks because they want your money.

    Call their bluff and go somewhere else.

    flots.
     
  3. rick00001967

    rick00001967 Tech Instructor

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    at the risk of sounding like an idiot.......i am not familiar with the above agency. but if cpr/first aid training was truly governed by a universally accepted agency, then why would someone like kellis have to be retrained by three different ones. this makes no sense to me. although i understand the point that "the more training the better" is valid. especially for someone who truly is dealing with peoples lives on a regular basis. i would have thought once someone is certified by one organization, it would be recognized by all. if not, then there really is no universal standard.
    it sounds to me (and i really know nothing about how all this works so my opinion means nothing) that there are a ton of organizations out there making a bunch of money by insisting people be retrained to collect a cheque. if everyone in north america was trained in the same manner and practiced the same techniques there would be no reason for any employer (or dive shop) not to accept your cert as long as it is current.
    just my opinion.....nuff said on that

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    agreed. thx
     
  4. boulderjohn

    boulderjohn Technical Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I am replying in generic terms and not in relation to any of the agencies mentioned in this thread.

    The word "governed" is a bit strong, because it implies police power. ILCOR has no police power. Agencies that teach CPR may voluntarily follow ILCOR standards. Sometimes they don't. If they don't, well, what can ILCOR really do?

    Next, think of how easy it would be to form your own agency (maybe with only one person) teaching CPR. Someone could do it this afternoon without having heard of ILCOR. You can be sure that certain well known agencies follow ILCOR guidelines, but not so sure with others.
     
  5. k ellis

    k ellis Divemaster

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    Well I dont know why they do the things they do. Really all I can say is its kind of like your home (And this is by no means a comparison to saving a life so this is not intended to compare the two) but you have a choice of alarm companies to choose from. They all claim to do the same and in my state they are required to meet the same standards and be licensed by the state. Some want company A and simply detest Company B. Others vice versa.

    I do detest having to retrain 3 times every 2 years but hey one time in the court room and I was thinking God I did.
     
  6. rick00001967

    rick00001967 Tech Instructor

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    new update......due to my local dive shops scheduling it looks like i will be doing my stress and rescue sooner than i thought. just signed up last night. got the book and video etc and am starting my required reading tonight. we hit the pool on tuesday. not sure what to expect but i am hoping it will be a mix of fun and learning some serious new skills.
     
  7. flots am

    flots am Solo Diver

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    This is an old thread, but I did want to add that my comment about "They're just being dicks and want your money" was based on you having taken a current class within the required time period.

    If you took the SSI class a few months ago, and the PADI shop won't take it, they're just screwing with you. If you took it 3 years ago, then it's expired (and has changed) and they're right to require that you take it again.

    flots.
     
  8. iguana751

    iguana751 Angel Fish

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    Why don't you apologize for that comment. I have received nothing but excellent training from PADI and nothing but garbage from training with SSI. It burns my A** that people run down PADI when I have found them to be much better than SSI.

     
  9. flots am

    flots am Solo Diver

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    Whether or not the OP was being screwed over by the PADI shop depends entirely on whether the SSI certification was rejected for a legitimate reason (expired, class content changed, etc.) or simply because the PADI shop wanted the money.

    Because there is nothing to apologize for.

    flots.
     
  10. rick00001967

    rick00001967 Tech Instructor

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    just a quick clarification to the above two posters as i know most readers would not have read this whole thread.
    flots - my post #19 in this thread probably sums up best what i was trying to say.
    iguana - it was never my intention to slam padi or to pit ssi divers against padi. i have recieved some good training from both ssi shops and padi shops. it was simply an honest attempt at asking if and why a number of padi shops would not recognise what was (at the time) a valid equivalent ssi course.

    i hope that answers your concerns. thx for the interest.

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    just in case anyone is interested......i completed all pool sessions. reviewed all chapters in the book. completed an intro to O2 providing. still need to complete open water requirements. that may have to wait until next spring/summer now. :(

    we will also be doing what i understand is an newly adopted first aid portion of the course. it is a "React Right" course. it is a compilation of firstaid, O2, AED, training which more specifically addresses scuba related situations. hopefully the shop will have me doing this portion asap.
     

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