Why does it seem some are so against soloing?

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i have dove both as a solo dive and with a buddy. with a tender in the boat i would much rather dive solo when scallop diving. makes for a lasting scallop bed for one thing and i prefer the better vis when not being stirred up with two or three other divers around. i dont dive deep but i dont condem it either. i say each to their own, i have been diving for over 14 years now and have over 2500 dives.
 
Solo Diving... It just feels Good !

I think lots of people want to do it -or- do it and just don't tell anybody.

Some people seem to think it is the work of the Devil and distance themselves as far from it as they can. I don't believe it is a crime to silo but some folks feel it is and they are trapped in a jealous guilt trip!

"I believe they have it confused with something totally different!"

Now Girls...
If you can't see your man he must be solo-diving.
~or~
90% of men solo dive and the other 10% are LIARS !!!)
~or~
If you solo dive too much you'll go blind but I just do it till I need to wear glasses.

~~~Sunglasses that is ! :14:
 
The topic of solo diving contains many similarities as that of sex education. We are scared to teach children what sex is and how to practice safe sex because we are too concerned that making the topic salient will induce sexual interests. Much research has been done that suggests denying children this information actually leads to more sexual sexual activities of which much more are non “safe”. This is much the way dive shops are: they don’t want to tell you because they are afraid you might do it. Instead, you will, and most have, tried out the practice of solo diving. Why not teach and explain it so divers understand the risks? Put the information into practice while making a tough yet INFORMED decision. The moral of the story: This isn’t the 1950s, teach your children about sex and teach your divers about solo diving.
 
partridge:
Here is the complete statement:


Solo Diving: PADI Worldwide's Position
By:
Drew Richardson Senior Vice-President, Training, Education, Environment and Memberships, PADI Worldwide


Why PADI advocates the use of the buddy system

The buddy system in use today for scuba diving came from a decades old water safety concept found in swimming and lifeguard training. It was adopted because it applied to diving and because it made good safety sense. Early support of buddy diving safety procedures was referenced by Jacques Cousteau and the crew of the Calypso in the book "The Silent World". The goals of training divers include developing the skills to take responsibility for themselves and to be self-reliant. The buddy system provides divers in training with a safety redundancy to this skill base that diving alone simply cannot provide. PADI has, and will continue to, train divers using the buddy system based on its proven benefit to diving, divers and diving safety.


Practicality & Convenience

The buddy system has provided tangible contributions to millions of dives. Buddies provide an extra set of eyes and hands for each other. Providing assistance in putting on equipment, adjusting straps, assisting with weights and tanks, entering the water, helping to load and unload gear are but a few practical arguments that support the buddy system.
Safety:
The roots of the buddy system arise from diving and water safety. Early days of diver training heralded the buddy system as an important safety procedure because only through the buddy system could a diver reasonably expect to escape from entanglement, entrapment, out of air situations, disorientation, a head injury, chest pains, cramping and dozens more. Diver training and diving equipment have improved, yet these same values apply today. Like all safety-based systems, the buddy system is not perfect. However, the simple fact is that without a buddy in the water, the distressed diver has little or no chance of assistance.
The buddy system is the most basic form of scuba diving fail-safe. Buddies have helped each other in subtle and profound ways for decades. Often the smallest buddy intervention averts a string of error chains occurred and negative outcomes or tragedy. The safety record of scuba diving has improved dramatically over the past few decades, while the number of certified divers has increased. During this time, buddy system training techniques have been an integral component of this training. While there is no way to quantify the accidents that were prevented or did not happen because of one buddy looking after another, empirical outcomes support the relevancy and integrity of this training.


Enjoyment:

Diving is a social activity, so the buddy system is more than a safety rule. Diving with someone you know and are comfortable with adds to the fun. Most divers actually enjoy companionship in and out of the water. It is fun to share exciting adventures and experiences with others. Fundamentally, the buddy system is about dive companionship, something that won't appeal to misanthropic personality types.


Can Solo Diving be done responsibly?

Yes, but let's be clear about what responsible solo diving is and what it is not. It requires experienced scuba divers willing to make the necessary commitment to train and equip themselves to accept the added risks involved. That is to say, a person with the required attitude and aptitude to pursue responsible solo diving. This is true in other adventure sport activities such as solo rock climbing.
It is important to clarify what responsible solo scuba diving is. PADI views it as a form of technical diving and not for everybody. To responsibly engage in solo scuba diving, a diver must first be highly experienced, have a hundred or so buddy accompanied scuba dives, be absolutely self-reliant and apply the specialized procedures and equipment needed to engage in the activity. This includes, but is not limited to redundant air sources, specialized equipment configurations, specific dive planning, and management of solo diving problems and emergencies. When solo diving is performed within this description, we see a place for it. Responsible solo diving is not diving alone without the mental discipline, attitude or equipment. That said, no amount of redundant equipment can effectively back up a diver's brain better than another individual.


What concerns does PADI have with regard to solo diving

When a problem occurs on a solo dive, or when the diver is alone in the water, there is little or no chance of assistance for the distressed diver. This decreases the chances of a diver surviving the problem or having a favorable outcome. Diving alone reduces the chance of survival regardless of the problem. Since 1989, there were at least 538 fatalities where it was clear divers were either intentionally diving solo, or became separated from a buddy and were de facto alone.
PADI is concerned by certain proponents of solo diving within the dive industry, including a major diving publication, who attempt to promote solo diving by bashing both PADI and the buddy system with headlines touting " Why the Buddy System is dangerous". This is both irresponsible and reckless. To suggest that the buddy system fosters a false sense of security and increases the likelihood of panic is outrageous and contrary to the empirical evidence. To claim that divers shouldn't use the buddy system for fear of being sued by a diving companion is ridiculous. The unfortunate reality in the litigious U.S. is that folks have sued one another for nearly anything. It is no surprise that there have been a handful of cases where one buddy has brought suit against another. Outside of the U.S., this argument doesn't hold up and smacks of the fear mongering to sell magazines. Besides, how long will it be before a solo death results in a suit against a magazine or other forum endorsing solo diving, a practice that is contrary to community practice. There is nothing to prevent such lawsuits from arising.
PADI's position is clear; solo diving proponents should advocate responsible solo diving on its own unique merits, requisite training, and equipment needs and not through sensationalized attempts to disparage a proven safety system, that has served the majority of recreational scuba divers well.
Send all comments and suggestions to webmaster@padi.com
©2006 International PADI, Inc.


I ask. how many founding members of any 'agency' can honestly say they never dived solo?

Stan
 
wedivebc:
I will never forget one day when I was running a charter boat for a friend. I had a group from a Vancouver dive shop that consisted of an instructor and several students taking a nitrox course. The boat owner was along too as he was planning a personal dive. As the instructor was briefing her students the boat owner was quietly suiting up with his doubles filled with trimix and a couple of stage bottles. The instructor and students were aghast when the owner splashed in all by himself and immediately descended. The instructor immediately diffused the concern by informing the students that this person had special training and experience that allowed him to do that and although PADI did not endorse solo diving it was recognized by other agencies.
I don't know what that has to do with anything except I found it funny at the time. I believe there is no violation of PADI standards if you perform any level of diving within your training and experience. There is no more need to hide the fact that you solo dive than there is to deny cave divers or CCR divers their sport. PADI does not offer all levels of dive education, that doesn't mean they aren't happening.

I respect it when an instructor on the King Neptune tells his or her students why I am diving solo (special training and 45 years of experience), and that it isn't something they should emulate/ I think it is both appropriate and necessary for the instructor to clarify that point.
 
The sex education example is interesting but faulty. It deals with children, we are talking about adults. I don't think I should have to modify my behavoir in order to be a role model for adults. If an adult needs a role model by the time they are old enough to take scuba and get certified then they probably have other issues to deal with. N
 
hmmm, I never thought about adults not needing role models. I think I like that concept. It is a very good point. ...well maybe they DO, but you shouldn't feel obligated to provide them with one, because that could be to be a very big job.
where would it all end?
There are people who say you should not swim laps alone.
The only point I was trying to make (when I subsequently was thought to be making mean references to overweight people) is that in fact, it is quite possibly more dangerous to eat too much than to swim laps alone. It is not socially acceptable to point one situation out, yet perfectly accepted as "responsible" (like Dr Bill suggests) to point out a solo diver and tell others "don't BE like that...". It just escapes my logic. I seperate the value-laden part and am only addressing risk of death, nothing else.

Timeliner...very funny. I try not to think about THOSE statistics.
 
Nemrod:
The sex education example is interesting but faulty. It deals with children, we are talking about adults. I don't think I should have to modify my behavoir in order to be a role model for adults. If an adult needs a role model by the time they are old enough to take scuba and get certified then they probably have other issues to deal with. N

I agree. Nor should we feel responsible for people who try things on their own if we are not promoting it.
 
Nemrod:
The sex education example is interesting but faulty. It deals with children, we are talking about adults. I don't think I should have to modify my behavoir in order to be a role model for adults. If an adult needs a role model by the time they are old enough to take scuba and get certified then they probably have other issues to deal with. N

I do see your point, but I must disagree. I think at any age one needs role models. Children have role models because they have not experienced life and we want them to do it correctly (or at least not make bad choices). New scuba students are the same. While they should be experienced enough to generally understand reason, they do not understand scuba reasoning. Whether one knows it or not, he or she looks up to their scuba instructor for guidance. As such that instructor should give them all the information needed for proper decision making. Living in the utopian world of always buddy diving will do nothing but cause problems when the student breaks from this mold.
 
I'm not an instructor but I see your point that if I was and with students, I would not be diving solo. On my own time, that is different. After all, being an instructor means you should have a lot more experience and of course you could do more advanced dives than the student.
I've been in the water with cave divers but knew I could not follow them in because I'm not experienced enough.
 
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