Wisdom of trusting one's dive computer?
- Thread starter CaveSloth
- Start date
Please register or login
Welcome to ScubaBoard, the world's largest scuba diving community. Registration is not required to read the forums, but we encourage you to join. Joining has its benefits and enables you to participate in the discussions.
Benefits of registering include
- Ability to post and comment on topics and discussions.
- A Free photo gallery to share your dive photos with the world.
- You can make this box go away
CAPTAIN SINBAD
Contributor
The question is not whether you should wear a computer or dive without one? It is about whether you should "trust" your computer. I relate a true story. The event that I am describing below is true though my memory of depth and bottom time numbers that I state below may be off since this happened in 2008 and I was a new diver.
I got certified to dive in the year 2004. Dive computers were not very common and my whole class was trained to dive using dive tables. Everyone in the class knew the set point of 60 by 60. For the first dive of the day, 60/60 would be the start of our No decompression limit calculations. We knew that if the dive depth had not exceeded 60 feet then our bottom time could easily be 60 minutes. It was really that simple! Then, for 70 feet we would have a bottom time of 50 and for 80 it would be 40. The above depth and time limits were ingrained into our minds and we would remember them like we would remember our mothers name. This meant that for the first dive of the day, no one needed to even look at tables. We knew the available dive time for each depth from pure memory. It was for the second dive that dive tables were pulled out and and adjusted no-decompression limit were read, noted down on a slate and then we jumped in.
This was diving for me in the early 2000s. Then I stayed out of water for many years until I returned back to diving in 2008. Between the years of 2004 to 2008 the computer revolution happened and dive computers went from being a luxury item to a mandatory item on many dive operations. Upon my return to diving, I signed up to dive a wreck which was resting at 130 feet while the top was 50'ish. The dive operation insisted that since this wreck has many decks and different people are interested in exploring different depths, everyone should have a dive computer. I had not used a dive computer up until then and did not feel the need for it but the dive operator said that computers are mandatory on this dive. I ended up renting one.
This was the second charter of the day and the dive computer that I was given had already been used by a diver who was on the first charter and had done two dives on the same wreck with that computer. The dive operator gave me the computer without resetting it and I ended up wearing a computer that believed that the dive I was about to do would be my THIRD DIVE of the day. I was told by the dive operator that the computer will activate itself at 5 feet depth so just go and dive mate! When we splashed and I reached the top of the wreck at 60, I knew from the table ingrained in my memory that I should have 60 minutes at least. The computer was giving much less than that. I knew right away that this device is dead wrong but I did not know why. There were two things about the computer that were correct though. Depth and bottom time. As a table diver, that is all I needed to complete the dive. During the dive, I exceeded the projected no decompression limit which would have applied to the fellow who wore the computer before me. I ignored the warnings and proceeded to dive my no decompression limit from memory. When I surfaced, all alarms were going off and I knew that they were wrong. The dive boat went into panic mode because a diver just surfaced with warnings beeping on the computer!
The dive master looked at the computer and said that I had gone deep into decompression and I needed to be checked for symptoms. He started to run a decompression diagnosis on me while the deck hand was preparing to put me on 100% oxygen. I tried to explain to them that I can’t be in decompression because my depth was less than 70 and my bottom time was less than 50. Any diver knowing tables would know that the numbers I am stating mean that I was safe but behold ... the computer revolution had started and the age of electronic stupidity had begun. In this age it was not only possible to become a certified diver without knowing dive tables but was also possible to become a divemaster and lead dives without knowing depth and table limits. When computer said you were surfaced while in deco, all dive theory and basic common sense was abandoned and 100 percent oxygen was to be given.
Fortunately, other people began to surface from the dive. One of these was a dinosaur from the pre-historic era. He had been diving since the earth was very young and there were no dive computers. He saw all the chaos and asked me two questions. "How deep were you?" and "what was your bottom time?" I was relieved to see that someone spoke the same language instead of "What is your computer saying?". He told the DM that there must be something wrong with the computer because 70 feet and less than 50 minutes is really not an emergency. He kept asking me “Are you sure about your max depth and bottom time?” I told him yes. Then they all began to fiddle with the computer and it turned out that I was right and the computer was wrong! Since data from the previous dive had not been deleted, the computer calculated it to be my "third dive." The guy before me had taken the computer really really deep so the computer was seriously freaking out on this “third dive.” The confusion did not last very long and life went back to normal but had the dinosaur from the prehistoric age not emerged from the ocean then I this “lets follow the computer crowd" would have put me on pure oxygen or I would be getting evacuated by a helicopter to the nearest decompression chamber.
Today there are agencies that train you to dive on computers from day one and they are proud of it. It is seen as a sign of embracing tomorrow and being progressive. The questions is not whether computers are good or bad but whether we are using the computer to advance our thought or whether we are using it to think for us? Furthermore what is wrong in using a multiple tool approach to planning dives? Diving courses of today are loaded with so much nonsense what is wrong with creating divers who are as proficient on tables as they are on computers?
I got certified to dive in the year 2004. Dive computers were not very common and my whole class was trained to dive using dive tables. Everyone in the class knew the set point of 60 by 60. For the first dive of the day, 60/60 would be the start of our No decompression limit calculations. We knew that if the dive depth had not exceeded 60 feet then our bottom time could easily be 60 minutes. It was really that simple! Then, for 70 feet we would have a bottom time of 50 and for 80 it would be 40. The above depth and time limits were ingrained into our minds and we would remember them like we would remember our mothers name. This meant that for the first dive of the day, no one needed to even look at tables. We knew the available dive time for each depth from pure memory. It was for the second dive that dive tables were pulled out and and adjusted no-decompression limit were read, noted down on a slate and then we jumped in.
This was diving for me in the early 2000s. Then I stayed out of water for many years until I returned back to diving in 2008. Between the years of 2004 to 2008 the computer revolution happened and dive computers went from being a luxury item to a mandatory item on many dive operations. Upon my return to diving, I signed up to dive a wreck which was resting at 130 feet while the top was 50'ish. The dive operation insisted that since this wreck has many decks and different people are interested in exploring different depths, everyone should have a dive computer. I had not used a dive computer up until then and did not feel the need for it but the dive operator said that computers are mandatory on this dive. I ended up renting one.
This was the second charter of the day and the dive computer that I was given had already been used by a diver who was on the first charter and had done two dives on the same wreck with that computer. The dive operator gave me the computer without resetting it and I ended up wearing a computer that believed that the dive I was about to do would be my THIRD DIVE of the day. I was told by the dive operator that the computer will activate itself at 5 feet depth so just go and dive mate! When we splashed and I reached the top of the wreck at 60, I knew from the table ingrained in my memory that I should have 60 minutes at least. The computer was giving much less than that. I knew right away that this device is dead wrong but I did not know why. There were two things about the computer that were correct though. Depth and bottom time. As a table diver, that is all I needed to complete the dive. During the dive, I exceeded the projected no decompression limit which would have applied to the fellow who wore the computer before me. I ignored the warnings and proceeded to dive my no decompression limit from memory. When I surfaced, all alarms were going off and I knew that they were wrong. The dive boat went into panic mode because a diver just surfaced with warnings beeping on the computer!
The dive master looked at the computer and said that I had gone deep into decompression and I needed to be checked for symptoms. He started to run a decompression diagnosis on me while the deck hand was preparing to put me on 100% oxygen. I tried to explain to them that I can’t be in decompression because my depth was less than 70 and my bottom time was less than 50. Any diver knowing tables would know that the numbers I am stating mean that I was safe but behold ... the computer revolution had started and the age of electronic stupidity had begun. In this age it was not only possible to become a certified diver without knowing dive tables but was also possible to become a divemaster and lead dives without knowing depth and table limits. When computer said you were surfaced while in deco, all dive theory and basic common sense was abandoned and 100 percent oxygen was to be given.
Fortunately, other people began to surface from the dive. One of these was a dinosaur from the pre-historic era. He had been diving since the earth was very young and there were no dive computers. He saw all the chaos and asked me two questions. "How deep were you?" and "what was your bottom time?" I was relieved to see that someone spoke the same language instead of "What is your computer saying?". He told the DM that there must be something wrong with the computer because 70 feet and less than 50 minutes is really not an emergency. He kept asking me “Are you sure about your max depth and bottom time?” I told him yes. Then they all began to fiddle with the computer and it turned out that I was right and the computer was wrong! Since data from the previous dive had not been deleted, the computer calculated it to be my "third dive." The guy before me had taken the computer really really deep so the computer was seriously freaking out on this “third dive.” The confusion did not last very long and life went back to normal but had the dinosaur from the prehistoric age not emerged from the ocean then I this “lets follow the computer crowd" would have put me on pure oxygen or I would be getting evacuated by a helicopter to the nearest decompression chamber.
Today there are agencies that train you to dive on computers from day one and they are proud of it. It is seen as a sign of embracing tomorrow and being progressive. The questions is not whether computers are good or bad but whether we are using the computer to advance our thought or whether we are using it to think for us? Furthermore what is wrong in using a multiple tool approach to planning dives? Diving courses of today are loaded with so much nonsense what is wrong with creating divers who are as proficient on tables as they are on computers?
If you are that worried about trusting your computer, then why even bother using one?
I don’t get the mentality. Are they distrustful of other modern technologies? You have wonder why they’re even on the internet.
I don’t get the mentality. Are they distrustful of other modern technologies? You have wonder why they’re even on the internet.
PfcAJ
Contributor
Its like looking at the route your GPS gives you and making sure a) its taking you to where you intend to go and b) it doesn't take you into some known obstacle (construction, accident, etc).If you are that worried about trusting your computer, then why even bother using one?
I don’t get the mentality. Are they distrustful of other modern technologies? You have wonder why they’re even on the internet.
I still use a GPS... but I ensure it makes sense. Its an aid, not my sole source of information.
Any tool used improperly (following the wrong line on a dive table/using a computer that someone else dove deep earlier in the day) will give you a wrong answer....
Trust your computer, trust your tables but in both cases use them properly and with the needed exactness.
Eric Sedletzky
Contributor
To add to what you said: computers can fail, so can bottom timers they are also electronic devices, so can most watches they are in most cases also electric devices run by batteries unless it’s a wind-up.
Depth gauges can fail too, I’ve seen it.
The point is anything and everything can fail. The most likely suspect failing is the human brain, mostly by subjective thinking and loose interpretation of facts. Narcosis also doesn’t help. 32% or mix does not mean the brain is still not affected.
There are also many other factors that can affect how the brain functions. Yeah, everybody needs to use their brains when diving, but also understand it’s limitations.
CAPTAIN SINBAD
Contributor
What exactly is the objection to supplementing computers with common sense?
Depends on what you mean by common sense.
Similar threads
