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Wishing you could spend more money on tech?

Discussion in 'Technical Diving' started by boulderjohn, Sep 13, 2010.

  1. DevonDiver

    DevonDiver N/A

    # of Dives: 5,000 - ∞
    Location: Subic Bay, Philippines
    15,396
    8,194
    Worringly true.... I wonder if/when the time will come that the tech community has to re-discover the 'lost art' of deep air diving :D
     
  2. rjack321

    rjack321 ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Port Orchard, Washington State
    11,174
    5,913
    You know you'll be posting about your narcosis management class at 100m in no time. :D
     
  3. Rhone Man

    Rhone Man Divemaster

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: British Virgin Islands
    11,299
    10,729
    I'll do my quick: "You Americans whine too much" post now.

    Where I live, we pay US$1.00 per cubic foot.... for oxygen.
    We pay US$2.40 a cubic foot.... for balloon grade helium.
    We can special order UHP helium, and they will quote a price.

    We'd kill to pay US helium prices.
     
  4. battles2a5

    battles2a5 Divemaster

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
    1,252
    6
    I was completely joking. You will save a couple hundred bucks in gas on big dives as long as you are keeping standard bail-out filled and available. The problem is that for all the shallow dives, training dives, NC off-shore dives, cave dives, OC gas just isn't that expensive and you still need sorb, O2, batteries, and cells in the rebreather. So in the end, operating costs might be slightly cheaper on the unit as long as you are doing deeper dives. But you still have the sunk costs of unit and all the things you put on it (BOVs, gas blocks, etc. etc. etc.). Definitely not a good way to save money.
     
  5. amascuba

    amascuba Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Austin, TX
    2,246
    36
    Ain't that the truth! Heh.

    I'm not complaining. I'll gladly pay what I'm paying locally.

    Cool. I didn't figure that the return of ownership would be much and if it did, it would take a long time to see the returns. Especially when you're cutting one cost (the gas) and adding others (sorb, cleaning materials, etc).

    Now if you're spending $3k a year on helium like a buddy of mine, then you will probably see more returns, but I don't know many people who spend that much on OC helium usage. :)
     
  6. boulderjohn

    boulderjohn Technical Instructor ScubaBoard Supporter

    # of Dives: 1,000 - 2,499
    Location: Boulder, CO
    27,498
    20,896
    Are we thinking of the same buddy who said his He bill was $3,000 per year before switching to CCR?

    I thought about the price of his CCR, his classes, his other associated costs, and his annual maintenance costs and figured out how many years it would take him to break even. I assume he will need a new CCR well before that. There are good reasons to switch to CCR, but I am not sure the money saved on HE is one of the primary ones.
     
  7. amascuba

    amascuba Instructor, Scuba

    # of Dives: 500 - 999
    Location: Austin, TX
    2,246
    36
    It is, and I'm sure it's going to take him several years to recoup the cost of his rebreather. I also agree that the cost of helium shouldn't be the primary reason to switch. I think you could make a better argument just by simplifying logistics in terms of the amount gas you need to take with you to remote locations that don't have access to the same gas resources. I'll stick with OC for the foreseeable future. It's just too simple not to.
     
  8. akscubainst

    akscubainst Dive Charter

    # of Dives: 2,500 - 4,999
    Location: Juneau, Alaska
    573
    8
    Personally, My rebreather cost me less per dive hour than Nitrox.

    Sorb $18.50 for 3 hours
    1 air fill on the Dil $6.00
    1 O2 fil $10

    That's 34.50 for 3 hours dive time anywhere between 0' and your tolerance for diving air.

    How much would the same 3 hours cost in nitrox or air? I'm talking 3 hours submerged not 3 tanks, probably at least 5 tanks for most people.
     
  9. battles2a5

    battles2a5 Divemaster

    # of Dives: 200 - 499
    Location: Charlotte, North Carolina
    1,252
    6
    Now you just need to figure out how to spread the cost of the unit/training over time, plus the cost of cells and batteries over the year. Let's say we depreciate it over the course of 5 years and you dive an average of 100 hours/ year. $20/ hour. 200 hours per year, $10/ hour. At least we aren't spending it on drugs!
     
  10. Scott L

    Scott L Solo Diver

    # of Dives:
    Location: North Palm Beach, FL
    10,277
    1,358
    How interesting that with a nation of runaway spending decides to amortize the cost of an entire generational program over a relatively very short time frame. With it's effect on the diving community that's some very bad luck...
     

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