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Worst instructor ever, please help.

Discussion in 'Basic Scuba' started by stropwen, Jun 25, 2012.

  1. TSandM

    TSandM Missed and loved by many. Rest in Peace ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I'm not sure why you removed your original post. But I remember it clearly. No matter what you do or do not do about this experience, you need to take a real open water class. From what you wrote, you didn't come anywhere near being able to perform the required skills of scuba diving in a comfortable and reproducible fashion -- and I would not expect anyone to be able to do that after a single dive, with no pool time.

    You have two separate issues here. One is what, if anything, you want to do about this instructor/class, and the other is becoming a diver. If in fact this "class" was meant to be an OW class, and was conducted as you explained, it should be reported to NAUI. I would also want my money back, if I were the student. But if you still want to become a diver, you need to find a real open water class and get properly trained. Getting a "license" from this guy is like lying to yourself, and a refresher from another shop is not thorough training, either.
     
  2. BCSGratefulDiver

    BCSGratefulDiver Mental toss flycoon ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Refresher classes are not designed to teach you things ... they're designed to remind you of what you (supposedly) already learned, and give you a chance to practice under supervision ...

    ... Bob (Grateful Diver)
     
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  3. DandyDon

    DandyDon Old men ought to be explorers ScubaBoard Supporter

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    I read the first post before it was deleted and cannot believe it was real...??
     
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  4. TXreefer

    TXreefer PADI Pro

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    Me too.
     
  5. jar546

    jar546 Instructor, Scuba

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    For once, I wish someone would have quoted the OP on the initial post.
     
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  6. SnorkelLA

    SnorkelLA DIR Practitioner

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    I think he got contacted by this supposed "instructor" or realized what a serious deal his probably exaggerated complaint was
     
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  7. counterpoint

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    Maybe. Or its a BS story. Or from someone who was a little upset and they posted their feelings instead of the absolute truth. after thinking about it overnight, it sounds a little out there. Is there really an instructor out there that is that stupid, to put that many lives in danger. I find it harder and harded to believe. especialy after trying to delete the post.

    Its just my opinion. as of now, repost and change my mind....

    Mr KnowItAll
     
  8. SnorkelLA

    SnorkelLA DIR Practitioner

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    Agreed. I think we can all mark it off as BS until he gives us reason to believe otherwise


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  9. BCSGratefulDiver

    BCSGratefulDiver Mental toss flycoon ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Yes .. or at least, there used to be.

    Someone I knew died because of such an instructor, who thought it would be a good idea to take three AOW students on a 200-foot bounce dive at night so as to combine the night and deep dives. His DM-candidate dive buddy died while pulling one completely narc'd out diver off the bottom at 205 feet and trying to literally haul him to the surface. When he ran out of air (probably from working so hard), his last act was to inflate the AOW student's BCD, sending him rocketing to the surface from about 160. The student spent the night in the chamber ... the DM-candidate's body was found 10 months later at just over 200 feet, half-buried in the mud. The NAUI instructor who planned this disaster was kicked out of the agency, and as far as I know doesn't teach anymore.

    There was a long thread on this topic back when it happened, and revived when someone doing a deep solo dive found Chad's body.

    And another stupid instructor was one I worked with when I was a DM. He asked me to help him with an AOW class which, it turned out, had a one-to-one DM to student ratio. I thought this was great until I found out why ... he intentionally held his students at depth until he was certain they would all run out of air on the way to the surface ... he wanted them to find out what it felt like. Every one of them surfaced on a DM's tank. Considering he didn't tell me that was the plan, I was furious ... and reported him to his agency. Hopefully he's no longer teaching either.

    ... Bob (Grateful Diver)
     
  10. stropwen

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    I deleted the original post because I'm trying to keep this as anonymous as possible,
    "From the sounds of it, he didn't listen to a schedule, or pay much attention" I didnt realize I needed to prove anything here, I explained my situation offer advice or dont.

    ---------- Post Merged at 11:13 PM ---------- Previous Post was at 11:11 PM ----------

    Again I'm just asking for advice (thank you to those who have given it) I dont feel the need to prove anything.

    ---------- Post Merged at 11:37 PM ---------- Previous Post was at 11:11 PM ----------


    Was the instructor using any assistants, DMs, for example? The reason I ask is because when we have large groups, we can increase the ratios by adding assistants to help us keep track of everybody and ensure safety.
    Yes he had his 18 year old son with him, he didnt really do anything but just dive with us, he told me he was AOW.


    Was the entire class waiting? Did you perhaps misunderstand the time you were to meet? Or did the time change and maybe you weren't informed? Is it possible there was some kind of misunderstanding?
    In total there was around 30 of us he split us in two teams of about 15,half waited out of the water while he would dive with the other half

    Did you not do a pre-dive safety check with a buddy as is your responsibility? Didn't the instructor ask why you didn't have a weight belt on?

    he did a quick demonstration of how to put togather the equiptment
    he never once checked us to make sure we had it on properly.

    (It wasnt even untill I had got to the water that his 18 year old son told me that my bcd straps were not tight)


    IIRC you said you spent ten minutes trying to get down. This seems like an awfully long time. Surely somebody would surface to help you when you were taking so long. Could you see the group below you waiting for you? What were they doing all this time?

    Nope not a sinlge person helped me, I have no idea exactly what they were doing I was to busy trying to get down,when I finally did they were in a big circle doing diffrent exercises (most of which I and several othres didnt do because we were to busy flailing around)


    If you actually did sink like a rock, that means you had enough weight despite not wearing a weight belt and didn't really need any extra weight in order to stay down. Generally speaking, these kind of "float up to the surface" ascents happen when students are stressed and hold too much air in their lungs. Were you feeling stressed?

    I did sink down(to an extent) when I would finally reach the bottom I ould slowly float back up I couldnt sit in one spot, yes I was very stressed out.



    How did you know how much weight to put on the belt? Had you simply forgotten to put it on, or did you think you didn't need any weight initially?


    I didnt know, there was a belt already out of the water with weight on it (he told me he has no magic answer for me and to figure it out on my own so I grabed it and put it on).


    Who stayed underwater to care for the safety of the remaining students?


    we were not very deep at this point, but no one was down there.


    Did the other students complete other skills while you were stuck on the surface, swimming back to shore and finally getting down to the bottom?

    there was most likely some skillshe went over while me and others were still trying to get in the water and keep in mind I am not the only student who was having problems, im just giving you all my point of view, several others had all the probles im describing as well.


    This is the typical depth for a first dive of a series of Open Water dives. How was the dive conducted? Did everybody just mill around or did you follow a route or do a circle or go see some artefact and swim back or what? Were you assigned buddy pairs? Who was leading the dive?


    Im not sure the exact depth this is just the depth Im visualy explaining, he never showed me how to read my depth nor my air,(the air wasnt very hard to figure out but no he never showed me just told me AFTER the dive to never go below 500 psi )

    He had told us to pretty much follow him and we kinda just sawm in a circle, yes I had a buddy and he told me not to more than arms length from her.


    This is just amazing. I hardly know where to start with this comment. Did you miss class sessions by any chance?

    I have been obsessing about this day for months, I missed nothing!



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    • At the conclusion of a single open water dive, the instructor indicated that he would issue your certification.
    This is also amazing. Are you certain that he wasn't simply going to LOG the dive? Are there no other dives scheduled for this course?

    My mistake there is one more dive untill he issues the license he told the whole group including me that we all get or licenses however I didnt realize we were in a mixed group of divers who have and havent dived before

    his schedule is this

    1 8 hour classroom
    1 OPEN WATER
    1OPEN WATER

    ^ no new skills are learned during both these dives, your literally in a class mixed with first and second time divers
     

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