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Yes/No requirement for Med form

Discussion in 'Q and A for Scuba Certification Agencies' started by tridacna, Aug 6, 2018.

  1. tridacna

    tridacna ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    Not according to PADI. Training department confirmed that a doctor’s sign-off trumps all. No more beating this horse.
     
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  2. giffenk

    giffenk Great White

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    Yep! They have 1 tiny checkbox with which you affirm you have read the RSTC form and can check NO to every question. They do not want your personal details. This is good.

    The bad is that they even ask...
     
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  3. TMHeimer

    TMHeimer Divemaster

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    This has probably been covered, but though I rarely take charters, I can't recall anyone requiring either a Yes/No PADI med. form (that's for courses, no?) or a Dr.'s note. I could be mistaken.
     
  4. giffenk

    giffenk Great White

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    There was a thread a while ago which revealed that it was common for many American (Fla?) dive ops to use the form. At least 1 Coz operator also uses it. None of this was for training...
     
  5. jlcnuke

    jlcnuke Barracuda

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    If you'd really like to see one, I have had 3 different doctors sign off on my medical clearance to dive for classes in the past 14 months despite being an insulin dependent diabetic (once I was away from my PCP and the instructor wouldn't accept the emailed letter from my doctor saying I was fit to dive because it wasn't "on the PADI form" so I got a local doctor to review my records, examine me, and sign off... and both my old and new PCPs have signed off after taking some time to research it themselves).

    Understanding my medical condition as I do, I know when I can and can't dive and what to do in order to make sure I'm okay on the dive. I also know when to call the dive (such as on a boat dive when my glucose meter got wet and stopped working so I couldn't monitor my sugar levels between dives so I sat out the second dive, turned out when we got back to my backup meter on shore I was just fine, like I felt, but better safe than sorry).

    I also know how different activity levels etc affect my body so I know what to watch out for, when to be more alert for possible changes, and when to call it if there is a reasonable chance I might run into a problem. 99% of problems diabetics have diving are with the exertion of a dive resulting in low sugars well after the dive btw, and that is actually quite easy to manage if you're a responsible diabetic. In fact, if you're a diabetic and plan on doing any significant exercise (pretty much one of the standard "prescriptions" for a diabetic of any type) then you learn how to do all of this or you have issues. Not that I'm saying all diabetics are responsible about controlling and monitoring their sugar levels, but for those of us that are we're probably safer diving than someone who answered "no" to all the questions but is obese and hasn't seen a doctor in 15 years so they can honestly answer no to everything (or likely a good percentage of the people who think they're healthy because they're not obese but haven't been to the doctor in a decade so they don't know about that serious medical condition they've developed).

    If your lack of understanding of my condition and how to dive safely with it means you don't want to dive with me though, or teach me classes, that's your choice to make and I'll respect your decision. I've had no problem finding other people to teach me or dive with me thus far so I'll get by just fine and I'm sure you'll still find people to teach and dive with as well.
     
  6. mmerriman

    mmerriman Captain

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    sorry to reopen an old can of worms - but the latest PADI training bulletin states the opposite - can you post your correspondence with them?
    Q: A student completes the PADI® Medical Statement and answers “yes” to one question. The student then takes the entire Medical Statement to the doctor to be evaluated and to secure diving fitness approval. The student returns with the doctor’s written approval and signature to dive, but not the questionnaire page the student filled out. What should I do? A: Ask the student to retrieve the questionnaire page for your records. The Medical Statement is one of the three required forms completed by a student and retained by you for at least seven years. If your student provides a signed document from a physician attesting to the student’s fitness to dive (on something other than the PADI Medical Statement), you still need to have the student complete the PADI Medical Statement for your file. This provides baseline information in the event new conditions arise after the doctor visit.
     
  7. mmerriman

    mmerriman Captain

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    until the latest training bulletin - Q: A student completes the PADI® Medical Statement and answers “yes” to one question. The student then takes the entire Medical Statement to the doctor to be evaluated and to secure diving fitness approval. The student returns with the doctor’s written approval and signature to dive, but not the questionnaire page the student filled out. What should I do? A: Ask the student to retrieve the questionnaire page for your records. The Medical Statement is one of the three required forms completed by a student and retained by you for at least seven years. If your student provides a signed document from a physician attesting to the student’s fitness to dive (on something other than the PADI Medical Statement), you still need to have the student complete the PADI Medical Statement for your file. This provides baseline information in the event new conditions arise after the doctor visit.
     
  8. michael-fisch

    michael-fisch Barracuda

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    After my last diving accident I had real problems finding one doctor to sign off on my medical fitness for diving, since I had:

    type 1 diabetes.
    severe DCS II 4 years ago with slight continuing neurological symptoms.
    Caustic cocktail inhalation from my RB last summer that caused a week of hospitalisation, damage to my vocal cords, loss of lung capasity, scarring of my esophagus, 6 weeks of rehab and unearthed visable restrictions in veins around my heart.

    In order to get an informed OK, I went to my treating ENT Professor, Pneumologist and Cardiologist.
    With their OKs I finally went to a Hyperbaric doctor who has signed off on my yearly diving medicals for the last 5-6 years and got an OK on the diving medical form.

    With the above complications, how is any 1 doctor able to sign off for the whole body?

    Michael
     
  9. tridacna

    tridacna ScubaBoard Supporter ScubaBoard Supporter

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    We’re using OLPC 3.0 now. Onus is now on student to complete and provide it themselves. Working pretty well so far.
     

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