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Zero to hero - top schools?

Discussion in 'New Divers and Those Considering Diving' started by MrJDoran, Dec 12, 2009.

  1. Walter

    Walter Instructor, Scuba

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    In what way was I rude?
     
  2. GeorgeC

    GeorgeC Instructor, Scuba

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    As a board guide, holding yourself at a higher standard than the rest of the SB community, I think you should refrain from your harsh remarks. I don’t know if it is your intention to be rude, sarcastic or just having some tongue and cheek fun. IMOH it comes across rude. If you think the thread is over, stop posting. Why flame someone else for posting?
     
  3. Thalassamania

    Thalassamania Diving Polymath ScubaBoard Supporter

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    George,

    Please, what was rude, sarcastic or T&C? What was flame?

    "I think that the OP received pretty good advice, even though if doesn't agree with what you might have told him." - not this surely.

    "As for me, I had not intended to join this thread. I refrained from any posts until after the OP had said thanks and I only joined in as a result of a vendor starting to flog his wares, something that I felt needed to be dealt with." - not this surely.

    "Why are you now fanning the embers of a thread that is basically over and done with? Bored and out for an afternoon troll?" - Maybe this? It's a rather simple question, not rude, sarcastic, T&C or on fire at the moment.
     
  4. GeorgeC

    GeorgeC Instructor, Scuba

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    I thought this statement was a little off color, in my opinion. It is a loaded rhetorical question with no way to answer but with a negative comment. I agree the OP did have good info from all sides.
     
  5. GeorgeC

    GeorgeC Instructor, Scuba

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    On topic. I do disagree painting every dive school that offers a Zero to Hero schedule as a bad school. There are divers who have a number of dives under their belts, certified for several years and go into the ZtoH programs as DM’s only taking the IDC phase. On the flip side you have the snorkeler who starts and becomes an instructor. I believe you have to look at an instructors resume and decide if you want to hire that individual.

    Don’t fault a school that has a scheduled program put together and offers courses consecutively from beginner to IDC. Would the student be better if they took the OW waited X weeks then do AOW wait X weeks then do Rescue etc. What is a fair value of X. Would a school have to wait 3 weeks between courses, 5 weeks 16 weeks? What is the magic number for this school to be credible?

    The IDC want to be candidate has to realize their limitations and make an educated decision. I am mature enough to go from Zero to Hero graduating and mentoring with a shop that teaches or do I need several months between programs to gain a better understanding of how to teach.
     
  6. scubaskipper

    scubaskipper Captain

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    I was unimpressed with the ones in my IDC that were going this route. Go through the master diver program with an instructor that cares about turning out a competent diver. Practice, practice, practice 100-200 dive in, take the DM internship at a reputable shop. Sit in on as many classes as you can with a good instructor and get in some sea time. You'll see all the weak points and make better divers through your real world experiences. Don't get in debt. If you want to live the life, less is more. Good luck and be safe.
     
  7. MauiScubaSteve

    MauiScubaSteve Instructor, Scuba

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    Gee, I wonder who I was thinking of when I posted that?

     
  8. MauiScubaSteve

    MauiScubaSteve Instructor, Scuba

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    And you have posted well over 10 times since he was dealt with, especially counting the thread cleaning posts.

    Let's see, perhaps because of your last Christmas day post that was so Grinchie. Wasn't that was only yesterday? Basically over and done with? My first post today was only 2 hours after your previous post today. Basically over and done with? Because you thought you had the last word?

    There are so many things you post that are flat out wrong but I will just pick one from that Grinchie post! This part is just plain ridiculously wrong!

    How many IDC's have you ever heard of that did not require a full set of owned gear for the class? Ocean Divers required a full set of gear for each candidate when I went there, starting with AOW; can't imagine that's changed. I showed up with said full kit and it's no longer even mentioned in my profile. I'm not even going to try and list all the spare and retired gear in between the first kit and the current kits, nor any of my Nikonus/Ikelite/Inon gear (does Olympus count?). How much gear does your average student purchase? My next purchase will be 3 Apollo Scooters. I bet Ed knows plenty of Instructor Factory graduates with similar gear history to me. How much gear does your average student purchase again?

     
    Last edited: Dec 27, 2009
  9. Walter

    Walter Instructor, Scuba

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    Instead of quoting totally unrelated material, it would be nice to simply answer the question. If you aren't going to answer, there's absolutely no need to quote the question.
     
  10. JamesDixon

    JamesDixon Angel Fish

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    Six months of every day diving and training 180 days is alot of experience for some agencies. I beleave this is sufficient for the rite person. Remember not all these candidates pass the IE. On the other hand I have seen instructors with 20 years of experience that had a hard time relating to the students causing them to panic. I have seen instructors that have experience but do not keep the training standards. I have also met Instructors that have killed divers and are stiill teaching. After many years of experience I know that it is not the agency or time served but It is the person we need to look at. Look at the individual. Want to be an instructor? Find a good full time shop. Dive every day and Go for it. Water will seek it's own level
     

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