Donating Blood

[Sas]

I just don't see this as a problem. For example, I am a very disadvantaged person who has to go out and work to make money. Employers can take advantage of the fact that I have no money and get me to work for them. I think it sucks.

Perhaps I should have defined 'disadvantaged' seeing as you would not come under the definition I had in mind when I posted that message. Basically those who don't have a minimum level of living standards (i.e. not enough food, shelter, medical care, education) and have no means to support themselves. I had organ harvesting in third world countries in mind when I posted that. Seeing as I would not consider you disadvantaged I would have no problem with you selling your organs. Try ebay or craigslist, good luck!

 

[lowviz]

Sorry to interrupt the troll/hijack/ebay fun, but I feel an answer is owed:

Careful, before you point to the donation too quickly. You might want to have your cardiovascular health checked out, e.g. through a stress treadmill test.

I thought about it, but since I run semi-regularly I blew it off.



-carry on...

 

[NudeDiver]

Perhaps I should have defined 'disadvantaged' seeing as you would not come under the definition I had in mind when I posted that message. Basically those who don't have a minimum level of living standards (i.e. not enough food, shelter, medical care, education) and have no means to support themselves. I had organ harvesting in third world countries in mind when I posted that. Seeing as I would not consider you disadvantaged I would have no problem with you selling your organs.

Well, see there? It's all a matter of perspective. To YOU, a "disadvantaged" person (by your definition) should have no right to sell their organs, but someone who is already advantaged should have this right. So, effectively, you want to deny rights to the "disadvantaged" that you would grant to the non-disadvantaged. Not only that, but, if anything, the "disadvantaged" have more of a need to raise money this way than the non-disadvantaged, since they may not have other means to raise money. So, really, Sas, why do you hate poor people so much?

 

[Sas]

Well, see there? It's all a matter of perspective. To YOU, a "disadvantaged" person (by your definition) should have no right to sell their organs, but someone who is already advantaged should have this right. So, effectively, you want to deny rights to the "disadvantaged" that you would grant to the non-disadvantaged. Not only that, but, if anything, the "disadvantaged" have more of a need to raise money this way than the non-disadvantaged, since they may not have other means to raise money.

Destitute people cannot make a free, rational choice about organ donation in my opinion so I do not see it as a matter of rights. Starvation does tend to make one irrational... There are other reasons too such as the conditions in which they donate are unsanitary and can lead to massive health problems. In addition, when organs are allowed to be sold, it is very much open to abuse. Check out China and organ harvesting, for example.

So, really, Sas, why do you hate poor people so much?

Why do you hate your kidney and testicles so much NudeDiver??

 

[NudeDiver]

Destitute people cannot make a free, rational choice....

So, society must make choices for them......

Why do you hate your kidney and testicles so much NudeDiver??

Hey, that's not true! I love them so much that I'm more than happy to give them a better home - to anyone willing to pay enough to provide them with one.

 

[sibermike7]

Destitute people cannot make a free, rational choice about organ donation in my opinion so I do not see it as a matter of rights. Starvation does tend to make one irrational... There are other reasons too such as the conditions in which they donate are unsanitary and can lead to massive health problems. In addition, when organs are allowed to be sold, it is very much open to abuse. Check out China and organ harvesting, for example.



Why do you hate your kidney and testicles so much NudeDiver??

 

[sibermike7]

So, society must make choices for them......

Hey, that's not true! I love them so much that I'm more than happy to give them a better home - to anyone willing to pay enough to provide them with one.

 

[NudeDiver]

NOTHING!

NOTHING!

Do you have anything to add with respect to blood or organ donation?

 

[Sas]

So, society must make choices for them......

Yes. Paid organ donation in the third world is massively open to abuse and forced organ harvesting from unwilling people. I believe this is backed up by plenty of real world examples. I would rather society force someone not to lose their organs even if they want to donate, than someone forced to lose their organs that they do not want to donate.

Hey, that's not true! I love them so much that I'm more than happy to give them a better home - to anyone willing to pay enough to provide them with one.

Well I love people so much I don't want them exploited for organs.

 

[NudeDiver]

Yes. Paid organ donation in the third world is massively open to abuse and forced organ harvesting from unwilling people. I believe this is backed up by plenty of real world examples. I would rather society force someone not to lose their organs even if they want to donate, than someone forced to lose their organs that they do not want to donate.

That's great - but I wasn't talking about the 3rd world. I'm talking about the good old USA, and other "civilized" lands.

Well I love people so much I don't want them exploited for organs.

Yes - much better to exploit them by having them destroy their bodies by digging ditches and doing other hard physical labour, cleaning out nasty smelly crap from toilets, or spending 8+ hours a day inside cubicles looking a glowing screens - something their bodies are ill-designed to do.

I mean, really, what is the difference between paying someone $1M for a kidney, or paying someone $1M to come and work for your crappy corporation for 40 hours/week, for 30 years? How is one any less "exploitative" than the other? The only real difference is the ease (or time) with which the money can be obtained and the "moral comfort level" with what constitutes fair compensation for goods and/or services rendered.

Telling people they can't do what they want with their own organs is no different than telling them what ELSE they can't do with their own bodies, telling them what they can or cannot read on the internet (or elsewhere), who they can marry, have sex with, how many kids they can have and other areas that amount to "you can't be trusted to determine your own needs, therefore, government will determine them for you."