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I understand the exposed nerve here - a friend of mine died on a diving trip, and I had to explain circumstances here on SB as well as I could. Balancing the privacy of the family, with the need of the diving community to learn from an underwater mistake (so it wouldn't happen to them) is tough. Still, a considered explanation goes a lot further than you might expect.

All the best, James
 
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I just get tired of one or two people always posting death notices where nothing is to be learned. People did 50 pages on Coz accident and only thing learned is don't do it. Yes unfortunately I know this person through alot of other diver friends. Another note, I have been on several death dives and searches and still with personnel knowledge rarely was to learn anything about the cause. I guess I don't look at the newspaper everyday to see motorcycle accidents in this state and I know there are many more of them.

Then don't read them......and dont' shoot the messenger.
 
I just get tired of one or two people always posting death notices where nothing is to be learned. People did 50 pages on Coz accident and only thing learned is don't do it. Yes unfortunately I know this person through alot of other diver friends. Another note, I have been on several death dives and searches and still with personnel knowledge rarely was to learn anything about the cause. I guess I don't look at the newspaper everyday to see motorcycle accidents in this state and I know there are many more of them.

I couldn't disagree more.

My mom died while scuba diving. We were all new to the sport and I had no clue this forum even existed until doing some searches of the news stories and there was a discussion of that incident here. Welcome to ScubaBoard. Here's what this forum does:

1) provides a resource for people who may have NO idea about diving to learn about what may have happened to the deceased. There are a LOT of people unregistered reading these forums. I've seen several times (and in my own case) where someone began posting as a family or friend to a deceased in search of answers. This forum provides that. Regardless of whether YOU learn something, SOMEONE might.

2) Provides a starting point for discussion. So the news stories are often wrong. Yea, we all know that. But it's better than never acknowledging the fact that someone died and SOMETHING happened to cause that change in state of being. A lot of times we'll never know, you're right, but if even once the discussion here leads to someone changing something about the way they dive, or the equipment they use, to make themselves safer or to reduce their risk? Then it's worth it a thousand times over. Posting on here can even lead to more facts being disclosed as information becomes available. Is a piecemeal something better than nothing? I think so.

3) Makes the risks of diving real. You can read as much as you want about the dangers associated with diving, but until you're reading about real people in real situations that you can envision yourself in, who didn't necessarily do anything glaringly wrong, it still is hard to imagine it happening to you. It still seems somewhat disconnected. Not that we should be so paranoid about diving that we stop enjoying it, but we are air-breathing, endothermic animals with no adaptations for the water trying to stay for up to hours on end underwater, including to several hundred feet in depth. We can make that experience as safe as possible, but never 100% safe. Would it be better to sweep these deaths under the rug, pretend they never happened? Again, I don't think so. Better to know how it's still not safe than pretend everything's hunky dory.

I read this forum every day. And I learn something from reading almost every day, too. I have a much better understanding of risk factors and of what my limits are and of how NOT to do things.

So thanks, DandyDon. And keep doing what you're doing.

Dive safe.
 
I just get tired of one or two people always posting death notices where nothing is to be learned.

If absolutely nothing else, at least you are aware that a diver died in a place you may like to dive or be planning to dive one day. Of course there is much more to be learned from these discussions but at the very least, it should be a sobering reminder that EVERY time we hit the water, we have to be vigilant to mitigate as much risk as we can and to always be aware. I have a 10-yr old who just got her OW and has had "situational awareness" drilled into her consciousness repeatedly using this very forum. She was born into a diving family and is as addicted to it as her mother and I are so she doesn't fear these stories. She just realizes that complacency and panic can snowball into a tragedy. And that makes her a better, more conscientious diver. And these threads are exactly what helps us all remember those things.
 
The dive industry is so small that we are all only a couple of degrees of separation away from each other. When a diver is involved in a fatal incident, it may be someone I know or have done business with. It might be someone I consider a friend. I want to know about it when it happens. I don’t care that the first report is from a misinformed newspaper article citing ‘oxygen tanks’ and ‘shark infested waters’. I want to know that it happened and I understand that it may be a long time (maybe never) before the real story is told.

Also, there is a sensationalism that the media associates with a diving fatality. The old example of a man killed in a fall down the stairs of his home in California is never heard of but if the same man dies from a sharkbite in California, it becomes world-wide news (BTW California is a random example and sharks are beautiful animals that are important to the ecosystem, yada, yada yada). If there is any benefit to this type of attention, it is that it helps deflate the conspiracy theorists who claim that the dive manufacturers, training agencies and DAN are involved in a scheme concealing hundreds of diver deaths to protect the financial interests of the industry (yes.. sadly, there are those who believe this).

I appreciate the fact that there are those watching and bringing attention to these incidents.

Thanks Don.
 
so what are the suspicions???
 
so what are the suspicions???
Suspicions are unspoken speculations, but it doesn't seem that we are going to get more info on this loss so it's just so much guess work - more to think about safer diving that an attempt at analysis...


Under 30 and indestructible. Hell, I had that problem into my 50s when I started scuba with a Resort Course dive to 100 ft.

Ignored his OW training to dive alone. Yeah, I know that hunters usually do, and we do not know his training or experience level, or even what happened to him - but solo diving in 120 feet of water does included severe risks, and Florida hunting is infamous for claiming divers every year.

I suspect he did not have a pony bottle, just because most don't.

And I'd best that his weights were still attached, as is usually the case.


What are yours...?
 
Question if I may?

If forums like these help create awareness to get a better understanding (even though speculation most of the time) of fatalities and the dynamics behind, why are fatalities on the increase compared to 10 years ago?!?
 
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